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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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But can they prove it without revealing their own backdoors?

Or explaining why they allow those backdoors exist in the first place?

just so we're clear, are we talking about lawful intercept (ie. capabilities built into the system so the telecom can comply with warrants), or dragnet or otherwise warantless surveillance? I'm not against "backdoors" for the former, but am against "backdoors" for the latter.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

I think the answer would be none or both.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

Between US and China? US, definitely. I don't exactly love the US, and would never want to live there, but China seems way more malicious than the US to me.

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Shouldn't moments like this be death blows?

I had totally thought after Apple and Microsoft were caught working on PRISM Americans and corporations would be doing drastic steps to avoid their communication being intercepted.

But for some reason that never happened.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

The answer is you choose the one which is the closer ally. Which, given the lack of US 5G manufacturers, is exactly the choice the US has already made.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or explaining why they allow those backdoors exist in the first place?

just so we're clear, are we talking about lawful intercept (ie. capabilities built into the system so the telecom can comply with warrants), or dragnet or otherwise warantless surveillance? I'm not against "backdoors" for the former, but am against "backdoors" for the latter.

I mean, now you're just talking about intent, and thus have to trust that the intent is as claimed. Crypto doesn't discriminate on whether you have a warrant or not.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

Definitely the Chinese, simply because their foreign policy is much less violent than that of the US, and they don't try to forcefully export their political and economic system to other countries.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

How about a more realistic scenario instead.

As an American, I choose European / EU 5G equipment in all scenarios over Chinese 5G equipment. I don't care what the cost is.

Europe, broadly (other than Russia primarily), is aligned with the US in all the ways that matter and will continue to be. China is not in almost any regard. The sole things the US and China have in common is trade and that the next century will be defined by persistent US-China superpower tension all around the world and in most all respects.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

The answer is you choose the one which is the closer ally. Which, given the lack of US 5G manufacturers, is exactly the choice the US has already made.

After NATO would be gone, they will be allies no longer
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