Saying you have nothing to hide is not acceptable, it's (for the most part) a submissive declaration. If you accept open and unsupervised scrutiny on things that are private by nature, you not only give up parts of your basic freedom, you also give out something extremely valuable, for free. This is totally unacceptable in a capitalist system. You should be ashamed, you commies.
“How do you talk to 'I have nothing to hide' people?”
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#22I say that's fine, you don't have to hide anything. Most people have things they would like to keep private however.
Some older folks may not have nudes on thier phone or porn habits to hide.. but most younger folks have nudes of themselves and people they know or have known , or at least something 'incriminating' - almost nude, drinking, whatever..
and I go to explain how hundreds or thousands of engineer-nerds have access to their daughter's pics and videos, chat logs and history of wives and husbands..
we're given permission by them to collate this info and combine it shopping habits, cc and debit purchases. We can know when they are pregnant before anyone else. We have systems that auto-copy their pics if they are 80% or more nude and saved on a one-drive system (do all win 10 systems have that?) and sends those nudes and nearly nudes for humans to inspect them,
call your bank in the morning and ask them if they auto-opted-you-in for sharing all the purchasing data from your debit card.
Last I checked if you wanted to buy pics of their daughter they were around $10 for license and commercial use.
See you may not have anything to hide.. but because you use these privacy destroying services the network effects of family / friends also use that.. you are creating this problem for others.
So just grab a few phones from girls in your family and copy all the pics and browser history from all their apps - and give copies to the neighbors.. cuz the girls in your fam are already sharing them with thousands of other people they don't know.. it's just they likely did not read of understand the permissions they gave, so they have no idea how many engineer-nerds are looking at their pics, videos, and purchase history.
Think I'm missing a few things on this rant, need to dig up my old comments on this and blog it or something I guess.
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#23First, you have things to hide. Your bank account number, at a minimum. I'm pretty sure that everyone understands that one as soon as you say it. You don't want your bank account access information to be general knowledge. Second, if you have a window that someone can look through (the feds, say), someone else can also look through it (criminals, say). What one can do, someone else can do. I think most people can gra…
FYI, in europe, the bank account number (IBAN) is public and you can't do anything with it except wire money to it
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#24First, you have things to hide. Your bank account number, at a minimum. I'm pretty sure that everyone understands that one as soon as you say it. You don't want your bank account access information to be general knowledge. Second, if you have a window that someone can look through (the feds, say), someone else can also look through it (criminals, say). What one can do, someone else can do. I think most people can gra…
FYI, in europe, the bank account number (IBAN) is public and you can't do anything with it except wire money to it
This is wrong, and has in fact always been wrong (even in the old system you could use a bank acc number, an address and a name to take money from an account). You can take money out of bank accounts with just IBAN and a name (though even the requirement for a name is spurious). Of course there are legal repercussions and usually the bank refunds your money - but that's when it is already too late.
The banking system you are talking about is built entirely on trust.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
FYI, in europe, the bank account number (IBAN) is public and you can't do anything with it except wire money to it
This is wrong, and has in fact always been wrong (even in the old system you could use a bank acc number, an address and a name to take money from an account). You can take money out of bank accounts with just IBAN and a name (though even the requirement for a name is spurious). Of course there are legal repercussions and usually the bank refunds your money - but that's when it is already too late. The banking system…
Interesting, do you have any source for that? How would do that using only IBAN and a name (i.e. without faking a signature, having the PIN number, a compromised device etc.)
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is wrong, and has in fact always been wrong (even in the old system you could use a bank acc number, an address and a name to take money from an account). You can take money out of bank accounts with just IBAN and a name (though even the requirement for a name is spurious). Of course there are legal repercussions and usually the bank refunds your money - but that's when it is already too late. The banking system…
Interesting, do you have any source for that? How would do that using only IBAN and a name (i.e. without faking a signature, having the PIN number, a compromised device etc.)
Sony Entertainment Online used to do billing in exactly this way, that is something you could check out.
I'm not comfortable sharing what I see as an easy way to exploit trust online.
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#27I tell them that they will pay more for a plane ticket than others if they don't hide their Apple products or their profession. Suddenly they understand that there IS something to hide...
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
FYI, in europe, the bank account number (IBAN) is public and you can't do anything with it except wire money to it
This is wrong, and has in fact always been wrong (even in the old system you could use a bank acc number, an address and a name to take money from an account). You can take money out of bank accounts with just IBAN and a name (though even the requirement for a name is spurious). Of course there are legal repercussions and usually the bank refunds your money - but that's when it is already too late. The banking system…
At least with the bank I use (bunq) I get notifications for such transfers and I need to manually approve them for the transfers to take place. If it's a recurring payment I can set it up so it automatically allows transfers up to a specified amount monthly.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is wrong, and has in fact always been wrong (even in the old system you could use a bank acc number, an address and a name to take money from an account). You can take money out of bank accounts with just IBAN and a name (though even the requirement for a name is spurious). Of course there are legal repercussions and usually the bank refunds your money - but that's when it is already too late. The banking system…
Interesting, do you have any source for that? How would do that using only IBAN and a name (i.e. without faking a signature, having the PIN number, a compromised device etc.)
It's called Direct Debit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_debit
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is wrong, and has in fact always been wrong (even in the old system you could use a bank acc number, an address and a name to take money from an account). You can take money out of bank accounts with just IBAN and a name (though even the requirement for a name is spurious). Of course there are legal repercussions and usually the bank refunds your money - but that's when it is already too late. The banking system…
At least with the bank I use (bunq) I get notifications for such transfers and I need to manually approve them for the transfers to take place. If it's a recurring payment I can set it up so it automatically allows transfers up to a specified amount monthly.
While it's great for you that this is the case, this is not the norm.