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Gotta love how quick Tesla is to throw their customers under the bus using telemetry data the customer cannot access on their own..
Calling it autopilot, full self driving is borderline criminal.
Borderline?
Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
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Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
"And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off." On the one hand, I'm affected by the FUD and will not buy a Tesla, and perhaps also will have schadenfreude to the extent their CEO has misfortunes. On the other hand, to be fair, other driver assistance features are creating problems too. I think it was Subaru I was just reading about having serious probl…
I refuse to use Toyota's for the same reason. On I-95 in northern Virginia, people drive slow in the middle and left lanes all the time, so people are always weaving in and out of lanes trying to get around. This means you get cut off a lot . And every time someone cut in front, the truck would slam on the brakes well before it was necessary.
I've driven Toyota's all my life and never once been in a vehicle that does anything automatic beyond turning on the lights when it gets dark.
Maybe you just need to avoid the Toyota model you bought.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#153Complains to his wife that Autopilot steers him towards concrete barrier; continues to use Autopilot.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#154This is sad and tragic. I remember going with a friend on a Tesla test drive. He was eager to try the Autopilot system. And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off. I think the engineer should have never relied on it. Especially if he had concerns with the system. At the same time, "Autopilot" is misleading and Tesla does own responsibility here. Even…
"And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off." On the one hand, I'm affected by the FUD and will not buy a Tesla, and perhaps also will have schadenfreude to the extent their CEO has misfortunes. On the other hand, to be fair, other driver assistance features are creating problems too. I think it was Subaru I was just reading about having serious probl…
I remember an engineering class at uni in the early 90's discussing how cruise control worked, and was borderline horrified at the childish simplicity of the design. In all this time, I've probably used it 1/2 dozen times, because my trust level is very low.
Just the other day I was a passenger in a Peugot and it was raining very heavily. Cruise control automatically disabled when one of the tyres suddenly bogged down due to heavy water on the road causing the car to lurch.
Until these systems look at and analyse the road and traffic like we do, I see little hope in an automated system that wasn't deadly by design. For me the number 1 litmus test is to read the slope of the road: if about to go uphill- more gas required, about to hit a crest- back off and maybe allow engine braking.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#155Sigh. It's like the NTSB's complaints about the FAA: tombstone, reactive regulation rather than proactively implementing recommendations.
I don't mean to dogpile on Tesla in particular, I think autonomous driving will eventually be far, far safer in the long-term than human-error piloting, but it won't be outlawed because of egos.
>>> Q: Is it still the case that there are several classes of insufficiently-solved autonomous driving problems? IIRC one of the big ones is/was recognizing stationary objects in the motorway when traveling at high speed (80 mph / 129 kph). Shouldn't one of the "prime directives" of autonomous driving be that it cannot operate at speeds higher than it can stop or avoid objects and people? These conditions include blind curves in the hills, children darting out from in front of parked cars, fog, rain or headlights/darkness.
IIRC, is another difficult problem recognizing pedestrians or people on strange modes of transport, such as winter clothing, different heights, skin tones or doing things like being on stilts or riding a unicycle?
PS: when a type of system becomes relied on pervasively, so-called "edge-cases" become everyday occurrences.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their customer is perfectly aware of whether he has a video game going on in his hands instead of a steering wheel. No telemetry needed from that perspective.
Yeah but it is auto pilot! It can drive itself!! You have no idea how many Tesla drivers will openly admit to taking their hands off the wheel and eyes of the road in order to take off a coat, tend to a child, etc. I work with somebody who claimed to do just that routinely. Here is somebody from a few days ago bragging about taking their hands off the wheel and eyes off the road: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=…
People already do the things you listed, though. Hell, when my kids were in car seats I frequently had to reach around behind me to soothe them via touch. AutoPilot would have been a godsend, because I wouldn’t have had to stress out so much about juggling two things at once.
This is the part where you call me irresponsible, right? It seems like every discussion on this topic follows that pattern. The fact remains, though, that humans are in cars, and have all the weirdness that goes along with it. AP makes it easier. A lot.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
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On the flip-side I feel like Tesla has done a good job distinguishing Autopilot from their Full Self Driving package. Autopilot is a mashup of safety features (lane-assist, cruise-control, etc). We can debate all day how you feel about the name, but that seems petty and you're even wrong about that. The name fits perfectly, look up the definition to autopilot. Edit: no hero cape here, just a different opinion. I know…
Words, in general, mean things. "Autopilot" is a word that means things. It does not, most notably mean "at its most generously-described best, full and complete attention the entire time lest it send you into the side of a semi at highway speeds or direct you into a concrete barrier". Tesla does not need any heroes with capes attempting to minimize their literally-not-figuratively-dangerous marketing. They'll do fin…
Instead of trying to tear Tesla down for something you are doing yourself, why not look for the positive aspects of what is happening? The technology is getting hugely better over time, so whatever you have been reading about it is probably outdated.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#158As a software engineer, all I have to do is think that my colleges wrote the auto pilot code, and that would keep me from ever turning the feature on.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
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Maybe because it literally means what it does?
No, not really. If you're comparing to planes, they have automated systems that will almost always keep them at a completely different altitude to avoid potential collisions. Plane pilots have to pay very little attention with autopilot on compared to Tesla drivers with Autopilot on.
> No, not really. If you're comparing to planes, they have automated systems that will almost always keep them at a completely different altitude to avoid potential collisions.
Autopilot in VNAV/LNAV modes does not do this, it follows a programmed flight path.
TCAS is the anti-collision system, but it's a secondary system that only gives information to the pilot. It's up to the pilot to make inputs to avoid a collision.
Pilots are the primary anti-collision system - by using their eyeballs to look for other aircraft when flying under visual flight rules (VFR) and also following clearances/information from controllers when flying under instrument flight rules (IFR).
> Plane pilots have to pay very little attention with autopilot on compared to Tesla drivers with Autopilot on.
This is not correct at all.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#160This is sad and tragic. I remember going with a friend on a Tesla test drive. He was eager to try the Autopilot system. And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off. I think the engineer should have never relied on it. Especially if he had concerns with the system. At the same time, "Autopilot" is misleading and Tesla does own responsibility here. Even…
"And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off." On the one hand, I'm affected by the FUD and will not buy a Tesla, and perhaps also will have schadenfreude to the extent their CEO has misfortunes. On the other hand, to be fair, other driver assistance features are creating problems too. I think it was Subaru I was just reading about having serious probl…
You kind of validate the other poster's point that it should be called "driving assistance" like the other half-baked solutions and not "autopilot".