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Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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IMHO the fault ultimately lies with Caltrans. Poorly drawn lane markers resulted in a human driver hitting the barrier just days before destroying the arresting system. If the lanes had been painted correctly and the arresting system replaced the Tesla driver would not have died.

This is all conjecture.

You don't know that the driver would still be alive if the lanes were painted correctly etc.

Autopilot could still misidentify the barrier as we've seen it do in other situations.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#12
This is sad and tragic.

I remember going with a friend on a Tesla test drive. He was eager to try the Autopilot system. And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off.

I think the engineer should have never relied on it. Especially if he had concerns with the system.

At the same time, "Autopilot" is misleading and Tesla does own responsibility here. Even if it's purely a marketing term it's designed to up sell you on a half-baked technology.

They should call it "Driver assist" or something like "cruise control plus".

It's a heartbreaking story.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#13

IMHO the fault ultimately lies with Caltrans. Poorly drawn lane markers resulted in a human driver hitting the barrier just days before destroying the arresting system. If the lanes had been painted correctly and the arresting system replaced the Tesla driver would not have died.

I think an auto driving system needs to have a higher margin of safety than a human driver, not the same or worse.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#14

Question: if the guy thought the Autopilot was failing, why did he continue to use it?

I have used Tesla’s autopilot...it has its moments...I don’t think it can make decisions within 10 second windows before obstacles. It’s also very dodgy at certain merges. I take it off autopilot. On a slightly diff note: I wanted a demo of auto parallel parking and also reverse parallel parking and summon feature after the last update. I went to the Tesla showroom. They were super nice but refused to demonstrate due…

I rented a Tesla Model S from Enterprise recently and learned they don’t enable Autopilot due to liability issues.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#16

IMHO the fault ultimately lies with Caltrans. Poorly drawn lane markers resulted in a human driver hitting the barrier just days before destroying the arresting system. If the lanes had been painted correctly and the arresting system replaced the Tesla driver would not have died.

Liability should always lie with the self driving car. In the real world weird shit happens on roads, people adapt and are expected to adapt. What good is a car that I can't trust to be at least as reliable as an overly defensive version of myself?

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#17

IMHO the fault ultimately lies with Caltrans. Poorly drawn lane markers resulted in a human driver hitting the barrier just days before destroying the arresting system. If the lanes had been painted correctly and the arresting system replaced the Tesla driver would not have died.

This is all conjecture. You don't know that the driver would still be alive if the lanes were painted correctly etc. Autopilot could still misidentify the barrier as we've seen it do in other situations.

Five drivers hit the same barrier the year before the Tesla accident and a second human piloted vehicle fataly struck the same barrier just two months after the Tesa crash.

It is absolutely a road design and maintenance issue.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#18

IMHO the fault ultimately lies with Caltrans. Poorly drawn lane markers resulted in a human driver hitting the barrier just days before destroying the arresting system. If the lanes had been painted correctly and the arresting system replaced the Tesla driver would not have died.

Liability should always lie with the self driving car. In the real world weird shit happens on roads, people adapt and are expected to adapt. What good is a car that I can't trust to be at least as reliable as an overly defensive version of myself?

If human drivers are getting killed in the same spot the same is it still a vehicle saftey problem?

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

#19

This is sad and tragic. I remember going with a friend on a Tesla test drive. He was eager to try the Autopilot system. And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off. I think the engineer should have never relied on it. Especially if he had concerns with the system. At the same time, "Autopilot" is misleading and Tesla does own responsibility here. Even…

GM calls theirs Super Cruise which is true hands-free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxeK0F-D3gg

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