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Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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I literally gritted my teeth when I read this. https://www.google.com/search?q=S%26P&rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS862US8...

Don't worry, it wasn't anything I wasn't okay losing :)

Depending on your strike and maturity, you may not lose anything. If the entire market sells off hard, correlation will go to 1 in the slide. Index options tend to price in some expectation of this (it's called "correlation skew") for downside options. So you'll make money on three things in a slide:

* delta, ie the slide itself,

* vega, ie the increased expectation of volatility for the remaining duration of the option contract,

* skew, which will increase more for index options than for single names due to implied correlation resetting higher.

I have noticed that the market seems to be in a "buy any dip" mentality, so be aware of that. If the market sells off, it may come right back the next day. Look at what happened already with the coronavirus outbreak, as well as Iran's missile launches before that.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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How does this jive w/ the totals counted on this site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/ ? I guess the source data could be fudged but surely China realizes by now that faking things is only going to make them look worse in the long run? Maybe I'm too optimistic.

That data looks quite delayed, I'd check this one out

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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post #62

How does this jive w/ the totals counted on this site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/ ? I guess the source data could be fudged but surely China realizes by now that faking things is only going to make them look worse in the long run? Maybe I'm too optimistic.

That data looks quite delayed, I'd check this one out https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

This is the data for mainland China, and it looks to be of an order with the data you cite. I think the main risk is whether the China data is accurate. I read the article subsequent to my comment and I realized that this interview accounts for the downward second derivative. The answer is: perhaps controls are working, or perhaps China is unable to test so many new cases. I'm inclined to believe the first hypothesis because apparently they were able to test 4.5k new cases in a day a few weeks ago. It doesn't really make sense to me that they would subsequently be able to test only 2.5k.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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How does this jive w/ the totals counted on this site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/ ? I guess the source data could be fudged but surely China realizes by now that faking things is only going to make them look worse in the long run? Maybe I'm too optimistic.

The headline refers to the global outlook. Even if cases in China peak in the near future, there may well be new outbreaks in other countries soon.

Quoting the relevant section:

> GAZETTE: Is it significant that there are so few cases internationally compared with the number in China? Is that an indication that control measures are working or is it just gathering steam internationally?

> LIPSITCH: Unfortunately, I think it’s more likely to be that it’s gathering steam. We’ve released a preprint that we’ve been discussing publicly — and trying to get peer reviewed in the meantime — that looks at the numbers internationally, based on how many cases you would expect from normal travel volumes. And a couple of things are striking. One is that there are countries that really should be finding cases and haven’t yet, like Indonesia and maybe Cambodia. They are outside the range of uncertainty you would expect even given variability between countries. So our best guess is that there are undetected cases in those countries. Indonesia said a couple of days ago that it had done 50 tests, but it has a lot of air travel with Wuhan, let alone the rest of China. So 50 tests is not enough to be confident you’re catching all the cases. That’s one bit of evidence that to me was really striking. Second, I was reading The Wall Street Journal that Singapore had three cases so far that were not traced to any other case. Singapore is the opposite of Indonesia, in that they have more cases than you would expect based on their travel volume, probably because they’re better at detection. And even they are finding cases that they don’t have a source for. That makes me think that many other places do as well. Of course, we’re making guesses from limited information, but I think they’re pretty likely to be correct guesses, given the totality of information.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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Not sure about betting markets, but I'd put the odds really really high. It has a near-perfect combination of traits that make it spread really effectively. A latency window long enough to let people get around the world, combined with asymptomatic spread is pretty hard to stop. I can't even figure out how you could detect it well enough to stop it.

Based on the article, it's not clear that the virus exhibits asymptomatic transmission. > GAZETTE: Is that the most concerning new information, that it might be transmissible before symptoms are apparent? That would seem to make this a lot trickier. > LIPSITCH: Yes. I think that’s the most concerning piece, but the evidence for that so far in the public domain is pretty limited. I’ve seen hints that aren’t published…

I think what laypeople and experts mean by "asymptomatic" is different and contributes to talking past each other.

One of the first symptoms of this coronavirus is a dry cough. These people would not be considered asymptomatic in the technical sense because clearly they have a symptom.

However a cough is such a common thing that healthy people do all the time, in a practical sense a person who only has a cough is functionally asymptomatic and able to go about their daily lives. It is only when they develop a fever that they become sick enough to notice.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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Please don't follow Eric Ding. He's not particularly qualified, and his statements to date have betrayed that he's not actually all that good at infectious disease epidemiology. I'd suggest, in place, Maia Majumder (@maiamajumder) and Tara Smith (@aetiology).

Could you please flesh out your comment on Ding's skill in regard to infectious disease epidemiology ? I don't doubt you, I just like to know why people say things.

Sure thing.

First, note that Eric Feigl-Ding is a nutritional epidemiologist, not an infectious disease epidemiologist. Infectious diseases are weird for a lot of reasons, and require something of a different skillset.

For example, in a Tweet of his he has now deleted: "never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter in my entire career." about the estimate for R0 for this novel coronavirus.

Similar R0 estimates existed for SARS, and MERS. Measles, Rubella and a number of other diseases have vastly higher R0s.

He also messed up some things like conflating R0 with secondary attack rates, and was generally very sensationalistic. Basically, the things that boosted him to prominence in this epidemic built on fairly sloppy reasoning from someone outside the field.

He's calmed down now, but one might as well go to sources for people who are both good at science communication and actual outbreak scientists.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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A couple notes on this: - Right now, there's some ongoing research about R0 relative to humidity, and it's not promising. This includes Singapore, but it should also be noted that Singapore has an amazing public health system that will confound using it as an example in both directions. - Having written a review on the seasonality of influenza, the fact of the matter is we have very little notion of why it's seasonal…

> Having written a review on the seasonality of influenza Is one of the theories lack of Vitamin D?

Yep.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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Is there any betting market that is taking bets and has good volume on whether there is going to be a novel coronavirus pandemic? That seems like the only way to get some clarity on this.

If you can put aside morals for a moment, you could make a killing just buying and selling face masks for the next few months.

Why not get with the times and give the face masks away for free and just collect the data and sell the data? Targeted nyquil and chicken soup ads could be a valuable commodity.

Re: Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’

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Yesterday I submitted this but it didn't get many upvotes.. https://towardsdatascience.com/modelling-the-coronavirus-epi... I think that reached this point is obvious that in our hyperconnected cities a containment is going to be very difficult if the R0 is 3+ and we don't shutdown commuting PS: for those interested in real-time info from experts I recommended following: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing https://twitter…

For a more serious (and large scale approach) to epidemic modeling, and 2019 nCov applications, check out: https://www.mobs-lab.org/2019ncov.html
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