that means i can put shit on my busybox.
Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
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Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#42So if this is the git internals, shit is what goes inside the porcelain plumbing?
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I feel like people learn git the wrong way Why do you think it's the wrong way? I sit somewhere in between and think that some people want to know the details and learning from inside is a good idea. But some other people want to simply be users and for the tool to get out of their way - and that's also good . So if the docs or the UX make either way hard or less effective, that's on the docs or the UX to improve.
You'll use git a hundred times a day, every day, for the rest of your career. It's easily worth the hour it'll take to learn it properly.
It's not a given you will use it for the rest of your career. As two examples, neither Google nor Facebook use git.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#44Hiya HN. I was ranting on Mastodon earlier today because I feel like people learn git the wrong way - from the outside in, instead of the inside out. I reasoned that git internals are pretty simple and easy to understand, and that the supposedly obtuse interface makes a lot more sense when you approach it with an understanding of the fundamentals in hand. I said that the internals were so simple that you could implem…
> the supposedly obtuse interface makes a lot more sense when you approach it with an understanding of the fundamentals in hand.
Agreed. I always said the best git tutorial is https://www.sbf5.com/~cduan/technical/git/
> The conclusion I draw from this is that you can only really use Git if you understand how Git works. Merely memorizing which commands you should run at what times will work in the short run, but it’s only a matter of time before you get stuck or, worse, break something.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I feel like people learn git the wrong way Why do you think it's the wrong way? I sit somewhere in between and think that some people want to know the details and learning from inside is a good idea. But some other people want to simply be users and for the tool to get out of their way - and that's also good . So if the docs or the UX make either way hard or less effective, that's on the docs or the UX to improve.
You'll use git a hundred times a day, every day, for the rest of your career. It's easily worth the hour it'll take to learn it properly.
Sure, but I also use a mouse. I could learn how the optical mouse works. I have some guesses about it too, but never actually learned the details.
But I'm a user of it - it works even if I don't understand exactly how and nobody tells me that I learned using the mouse "the wrong way" because of it.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#46Hiya HN. I was ranting on Mastodon earlier today because I feel like people learn git the wrong way - from the outside in, instead of the inside out. I reasoned that git internals are pretty simple and easy to understand, and that the supposedly obtuse interface makes a lot more sense when you approach it with an understanding of the fundamentals in hand. I said that the internals were so simple that you could implem…
> the supposedly obtuse interface makes a lot more sense when you approach it with an understanding of the fundamentals in hand. Agreed. I always said the best git tutorial is https://www.sbf5.com/~cduan/technical/git/ > The conclusion I draw from this is that you can only really use Git if you understand how Git works. Merely memorizing which commands you should run at what times will work in the short run, but it’s…
>The conclusion I draw from this is that you can only really use Git if you understand how Git works.
I say this as someone who uses git regularly, and who prefers it to all other version control systems I have tried:
A tool that breaks the principle of encapsulation by forcing you to grok its internals if you are to have any hope of understanding its arcane and inconsistent usage syntax is frankly not a very good tool.
By contrast, I don't understand how vim works beyond the base conceptual level (keypress goes in, character shows up on screen or command is executed) and yet I don't have any trouble using it. I don't need to know vim's internals to use it effectively. Vim is a good tool.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#47This is great, but I already use "shit" as an alias for "fuck".
If there's anything you don't want to confuse, it's your shit and your fuck. Keep them separate, people. Keep them separate.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#48Hiya HN. I was ranting on Mastodon earlier today because I feel like people learn git the wrong way - from the outside in, instead of the inside out. I reasoned that git internals are pretty simple and easy to understand, and that the supposedly obtuse interface makes a lot more sense when you approach it with an understanding of the fundamentals in hand. I said that the internals were so simple that you could implem…
> the supposedly obtuse interface makes a lot more sense when you approach it with an understanding of the fundamentals in hand. Agreed. I always said the best git tutorial is https://www.sbf5.com/~cduan/technical/git/ > The conclusion I draw from this is that you can only really use Git if you understand how Git works. Merely memorizing which commands you should run at what times will work in the short run, but it’s…
Scott Chacon wrote a book on git internals that was published by peepcode some time ago. Searching for where to buy it turned up this HN thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7999515
Looks like peepcode was acquired, but the book was open sourced: https://github.com/pluralsight/git-internals-pdf
I'm reading through it now. It starts with the fundamental git structure and works up from there.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'll use git a hundred times a day, every day, for the rest of your career. It's easily worth the hour it'll take to learn it properly.
Sure, but I also use a mouse. I could learn how the optical mouse works. I have some guesses about it too, but never actually learned the details. But I'm a user of it - it works even if I don't understand exactly how and nobody tells me that I learned using the mouse "the wrong way" because of it.
A typical mouse has 2-3 buttons, a wheel, and an X/Y axis.
Git is 100x more complex, if not more.
Give me a break. I'm sick of people glamorizing the idea that you should have your hand held through each step of every tool you use and never expend any effort on becoming an expert in the tools of your trade. Git is an engineering tool, designed by and for professionals. Imagine this kind of obscene complatency in other fields.
Re: Shit – An implementation of Git using POSIX shell
#50Amusing, but less than the title suggests (no porcelain, no reliability properties, no error checking, etc). Still, fun stuff.
Interesting terminology, I'd never heard of porcelain in the context of git.
In case there are others like me, this will save some clicking: