How many times does Microsoft need to get slapped with an anti-trust on this specific issue to learn their lesson?
Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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GNOME isn't fine. See, on switching keyboard layout it switches focus from current window while it writes some file to disk. Yes, it's not terrible on SSD, and I bet whoever invented this monstrosity has an SSD. But needing an SSD not to lose some of the letters you type just screams of insanity. OTOH, yes, the rest of Ubuntu is fine, and to anyone fed up with Windows I gladly recommend anything else based on Ubuntu…
How often does a user switch their keyboard layout?
When writing in Russian, every time when they switch between typing prose and typing equations or code. So, maybe about a dozen times per sentence.
At first my jaw dropped on your comment, but then I thought, maybe we non-latin-writing people are just abusing a feature meant for something different? Do you use several layouts, but switch between them infrequently?
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is Microsoft using their desktop operating system market share to drive their web browser market share. That's pretty much what they got sued for before. Given, their market position in desktop might be a different one now than back then. But it's still quite close to what antitrust laws were written against. Also saying "oh all corps do stuff like that calm down" is a really bad defense IMO.
Don't most linux distros come with Firefox preinstalled? How is that not pushing the other way? OSX comes with Safari. Every time you visit youtube with another browser it nudges you to install Chrome. Why is Microsoft singled out here?
No Linux distribution is a monopoly at the moment. The matter is: are you a monopoly? Then special laws are applied to you.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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It's not an overreaction. It's literally a targeted ad showing up in your day to day work space. It's invasive. I switched to mac a long time ago, but I still have a Windows device because some things are just painful (or impossible) to use on a mac. The difference between using an application that prompts "make this default?" and a specifically targeted ad showing up on your start menu is that the user used the appl…
It sucks, but it is kind of an overreaction. I turned the ad off... there's nothing but 32 pixel icons in my start menu. I simply never see the outrage, customize your Windows install and move the fuck on. That's why Linux gets jacked off all the time right, customizability? (that was rhetorical, I support Linux and realize the most beneficial aspect is it's open-source nature)
sure, but those types of ads aren't really for people like you. they are for the vast majority of Windows users who aren't in control of their machine but are instead being controlled by it. many don't even realize they can get rid of those ads, or they give in and just start using Edge..
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#435All of you that keep telling me I should get over it and accept Nadella as a 'new kind of CEO' compared to Ballmer and Gates please explain yourselves. Do you really believe that this sort of thing happens without an OK from the top? Do you really believe that MS can be trusted, that GitHub really is in the best hands that it could be in and that we should let bygones be bygones because MS has changed its ways?
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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Almost all my Linux work has been via command line for quite a while, so maybe this has changed, but my recollection was the GUI inconsistency had little to do with the window manager. It had much more to do with the X libraries that the developer of each app decided to use. I used to have a screen shot showing me running something like 5 different GUI apps on a Linux system, all of them trying to open a file, each w…
>I used to have a screen shot showing me running something like 5 different GUI apps on a Linux system, all of them trying to open a file, each with a completely different file chooser dialog. That's because one app used Motif, one use GTK, one used Qt, and I have no idea what the others used. But they all perform the same function of choosing a file right? What does it matter if they all look the same? I don't under…
Apparently a lot of people care, but programs not having the same style across a system always seems to be a top 3 issue with electron apps.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#437I pretty much gave up on Windows over a decade ago. After years and years of doing this and that to prevent snooping, I finally had enough.
I did keep a Win7 VM, however, in order to use Excel and Word for work. But I migrated all personal stuff to various Linux machines and VMs.
I've mostly used Debian. For transient VMs, I mostly use stock Gnome. But also XFCE, which is light and cute, and is the new default for Whonix. Mirimir's main VM runs Bunsen Labs Helium, which is basically OpenBox, with a dock across the top, Conky, lots of shortcut keys, and right-click menu. Also pretty light, and uncluttered.
But I don't really care that much how stuff looks. As long as it doesn't interfere with usability. And I do admit that the latest Gnome has done some stupid things to some of my old favorites. Gedit, for example, has been incredibly dumbed down. There's no shortcut key for "save as"! And much useful stuff is now hidden in a hamburger, and you actually need to tweak it to make stuff show up there.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sucks, but it is kind of an overreaction. I turned the ad off... there's nothing but 32 pixel icons in my start menu. I simply never see the outrage, customize your Windows install and move the fuck on. That's why Linux gets jacked off all the time right, customizability? (that was rhetorical, I support Linux and realize the most beneficial aspect is it's open-source nature)
sure, but those types of ads aren't really for people like you. they are for the vast majority of Windows users who aren't in control of their machine but are instead being controlled by it. many don't even realize they can get rid of those ads, or they give in and just start using Edge..
Well maybe instead of articles complaining about ads we educate the users on how to turn ads off and how to install ad-blockers.
But that's not what this article is about, it's a Microsoft hit-piece. That's all journalism is nowadays, mercenaries for hire.
And final point, if the ad isn't for me or anyone else here for that matter, why are we seeing an article about it? And why did noone else here mention you can turn it off?
Microsoft is not the harbinger of ads and they never will be, Google was and is. If you want to war ads, take it up against Google, their browser, their OS, and their search engine.
Ironically MS put an adblocker in Chromium by default.
You people and your biases...
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is Microsoft using their desktop operating system market share to drive their web browser market share. That's pretty much what they got sued for before. Given, their market position in desktop might be a different one now than back then. But it's still quite close to what antitrust laws were written against. Also saying "oh all corps do stuff like that calm down" is a really bad defense IMO.
Don't most linux distros come with Firefox preinstalled? How is that not pushing the other way? OSX comes with Safari. Every time you visit youtube with another browser it nudges you to install Chrome. Why is Microsoft singled out here?
On the theory that every heavily-commented, front page item critcial of Microsoft produces the same defensive comments along the lines of "but everyone else is doing it", I decided I would search this thread for the phrase "singled out". I arrived here.
What is funny in this case is that Microsoft is going after Firefox users, specifically, so, similar to how an HN commenter would ask "Why is Microsoft being singled out?", we could actually ask, "Why is Mozilla being singled out?" Why not target the users of some other browser.
It should be obvious that this type of question is not aimed at producing a useful answer. I predict we will see this suggestion of "unfairness" again in the next heavily-commented, front page item that is critical of Microsoft. It has been remarkably consistent.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#440How many times does Microsoft need to get slapped with an anti-trust on this specific issue to learn their lesson?
Until they really get punished.