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Post by lotsofpulp »

funnybeam wrote: post #290
jhallenworld wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was John Brunner's solution in Shockwave Rider. So does it work for preventing scammers and telemarketers? I guess it does since you would know who is calling you.

The problem with this is the asymmetry of power relationships - if everything is transparent it is very easy for a powerful group to use that against an individual but much harder the other way around

That’s happening anyway with non transparency. At least with transparency, it can be known, and perhaps acted on.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

jhabdas wrote: post #189
gormandizer wrote: post #181

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I'm inclined to argue that ditching a SIM card in favor of Google voice is simply trading one form of "Surveillance Capitalism" for another.

The misperception I feel many of us have - myself included - is basic privacy means nondisclosure. I don't personally trust Google, nor do I have a Google account. But if I were to have a Google account I'd rather share my data - whatever it was I chose to share, which should always be opt-in - with Google's nemesis (Huawei?) and let let them pay us to fight over it.

Which email service do you prefer? I'd like to transfer away from gmail.

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Post by icebraining »

mnm1 wrote: post #287
icebraining wrote: post #282

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Many poor people already use digital forms of money. The others will probably have to resort to barter. Money is really hard to kill, though; if cash is unavailable, people will create informal alternatives.

Yeah, fuck them. Just let them resort to barter.

People who assume predictions to be wishes are really tiresome.

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Post by thefunnyman »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #292
jhabdas wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The misperception I feel many of us have - myself included - is basic privacy means nondisclosure. I don't personally trust Google, nor do I have a Google account. But if I were to have a Google account I'd rather share my data - whatever it was I chose to share, which should always be opt-in - with Google's nemesis (Huawei?) and let let them pay us to fight over it.

Which email service do you prefer? I'd like to transfer away from gmail.

Not the person you asked but protonmail has worked well for me and seems to be widely recommend. There's some small Gmail features I miss like individually addressable Android notifications but I don't regret the switch.

Re: Living without a SIM card

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Post by jhabdas »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #292
jhabdas wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The misperception I feel many of us have - myself included - is basic privacy means nondisclosure. I don't personally trust Google, nor do I have a Google account. But if I were to have a Google account I'd rather share my data - whatever it was I chose to share, which should always be opt-in - with Google's nemesis (Huawei?) and let let them pay us to fight over it.

Which email service do you prefer? I'd like to transfer away from gmail.

Posteo.de and ZeroMail

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Post by hilbert42 »

Joeri wrote: post #145
chewz wrote: post #129

I envy the OP. Unfortunately since September 2019 living without SIM card became (practically) illegal in EU. > most online payments above €30 to go through an extra level of verification such as entering a code received via a text message. [2] Most banks unwisely chosen SMS as Strong Customer Authentication providing little choice to customers. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/payment-services-psd-2-directi... [2] http…

Banks in the US and EU are required to have the identity on file for all bank accounts (ostensibly to combat terrorism), so sharing your phone number with them shouldn’t change the level of privacy. If it is cost people are worried about they can get a prepaid card and never use it except to receive sms. That’s effectively free. Combined with the push to get rid of anonymous accounts and phone numbers there has also…

Let's be clear about this. Sorry I didn't make myself clearer in my post that I'd never entertain the idea of doing internet banking from a smartphone or any online PC or other facility (except an auto-teller using my card).

In fact, the last internet banking transaction I would have made would have been at least 10 years ago!

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Post by hilbert42 »

funnybeam wrote: post #290
jhallenworld wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was John Brunner's solution in Shockwave Rider. So does it work for preventing scammers and telemarketers? I guess it does since you would know who is calling you.

The problem with this is the asymmetry of power relationships - if everything is transparent it is very easy for a powerful group to use that against an individual but much harder the other way around

Exactly. QED.

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Post by huseyinkeles »

Freak_NL wrote: post #216
huseyinkeles wrote: post #215

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ABN Amro (and I think many others as well) send you an e-identifier device and allows you to make online iDeal payments with those devices.

Well yes, all but one Dutch bank offer valid and secure alternatives, including ABN Amro. ABN also keeps nudging you about using their app instead at every turn (I'm a customer). Although our own government really takes the cake in terms of 'gently nudging' people to use their app for authentication: https://twitter.com/jdhoek/status/1214969536333651968 (in Dutch, but with screenshots illustrating the 'nudging')

There's an option on the first screenshot ("ik heb geen smartphone") I don't know what would happen when you click that link (already have my digid on ios set up many years ago) but seems like the government have thought about that.

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Post by Freak_NL »

huseyinkeles wrote: post #299
Freak_NL wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yes, all but one Dutch bank offer valid and secure alternatives, including ABN Amro. ABN also keeps nudging you about using their app instead at every turn (I'm a customer). Although our own government really takes the cake in terms of 'gently nudging' people to use their app for authentication: https://twitter.com/jdhoek/status/1214969536333651968 (in Dutch, but with screenshots illustrating the 'nudging')

There's an option on the first screenshot ("ik heb geen smartphone") I don't know what would happen when you click that link (already have my digid on ios set up many years ago) but seems like the government have thought about that.

Of course there is an option not to use a smartphone (for now, and it will not be available if you want to access your medical records after 2020).

The problem lies in the presentation. The styling of the “no smartphone” link is meant to convey that you are doing something undesirable, unsafe, obsolete, weird. That's behavioural nudging. This is fine when the upgrade path is clear and available to all (e.g., “Don't use Internet Explorer, get automatically updating Chrome, Edge, or Firefox”), but it is not fine if the only upgrade path is buying a smartphone and going into an agreement with (foreign) Apple or Google (for the required use of their respective app-stores).

The government should simply not be mandating citizens to own a smartphone just because they can't be arsed to embrace authentication solutions that work on any modern computer (e.g., WebAuthn, or accelerated roll-out of NFC-chip ID-passes and a way to use these with an NFC-reader on any modern OS).

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