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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by lordlimecat »

usrusr wrote: post #244
Kwantuum wrote: post #57

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> put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble [...] less annoying I have to disagree here. Messing with people's pinned taskbar icons is much more intrusive than a suggestion (which anyone sane has already disabled) > why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things I'm sorry but that's pretty funny right before suggesting to literally change users settings without their co…

That would be true if the ad/"suggestion" was just positively touting Edge without negatively mentioning Firefox. Is it even legal to use a competitor's trademark like that?

You are allowed to criticize trademarked products by name, as long as you're not saying demonstrably false things or misusing / misattributing the trademark.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by noisem4ker »

zeusk wrote: post #373
black_puppydog wrote: post #331

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This is Microsoft using their desktop operating system market share to drive their web browser market share. That's pretty much what they got sued for before. Given, their market position in desktop might be a different one now than back then. But it's still quite close to what antitrust laws were written against. Also saying "oh all corps do stuff like that calm down" is a really bad defense IMO.

Try using any Google property without chrome, or try using any iOS device without safari. This is pretty harmless in my opinion.

Google doesn't bother me if I set Firefox for Android as the default browser.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by partiallypro »

I've almost never seen such an over reaction to something in my entire life. Suggested apps are something you can turn off, and they have had suggested apps for a while. People keeps saying Microsoft shouldn't do passive aggressive ads? How do you think Firefox and Chrome (Google still does this in Google search, and you can't turn it off?) People are not as tech literate as you think, some people have no idea that Edge now runs on Chromium.

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Post by xnyan »

sslayer wrote: post #319
Mirioron wrote: post #301

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> I just don't understand why people run windows. For me the main reason is games. Dual booting is really annoying and jumping through the 15 hoops it takes to run games on Linux doesn't seem worth it considering how poorly games seem to run natively on Windows already. It's not a question of "there are no games for Linux" but rather "the game I want to play is not on Linux". This one point is basically the anchor th…

Steam with Proton and ProtonDb was a game changer. What runs native in Linux vs using Proton is like night and day

Proton is fantastic, but you’re still saying I am going have to accept less compatibility and more work than on windows windows. Not worth it for me, especially with an nvidia GPU. I understand that’s mostly to blame on Nvidia but it’s still the reality of the situation.

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Post by xnyan »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #275
wgerard wrote: post #82

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> I just don't understand why people run windows. There are many, many products that either run significantly better on windows (Office) or are completely unavailable on other OSs (many video games). That's changing, for sure. But there's still a long tail of products that semi-necessitate windows.

How is office better than Google Docs?

Advanced formatting. I could do things in Microsoft office that Google Docs can’t even dream about.

As much as it pains me to say it the power of excel is uncomparable, especially for people who can’t program and are never going to learn how.

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Post by lordlimecat »

gruez wrote: post #396
jmnicolas wrote: post #326

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I'd pay up to 500€ for a 100% telemetry / ad free version of Windows.

If the Bavarian agency for data protection is to be believed, you can fully disable telemetry in the enterprise/education version ($300/license). https://www.ghacks.net/2020/02/02/german-data-protection-age...

Those allow you to set telemetry to "0- Security" via gpo.

This notably does not disable telemetry phone homes on either edu or Enterprise SKUs. It reduces it, but there is still an awful lot sent back to MS.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by krzyk »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #375
alxlaz wrote: post #78

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> I just don't understand why people run windows. I've used Linux for about the same time and honestly, I understand it completely. I would switch, were it not for muscle memory and for the fact that at least 50% of my work involves systems-level development for Linux (mainly embedded stuff, so a lot of cross-compiling). In the last five or six years I've come to dread the Linux desktop and its constant churn of rewr…

> I really don't care about things like UI consistency and whatnot -- what I do care about is stability and functionality. I was on Linux for about 20 years, and now I've been on Mac for 6. Of course, I've had to deal with Windows all this time, too, for gaming and work. (I was even certified on NT.) Anyway, I've no doubt that Windows is pretty stable by now, but the glorious configuration that my company sets up on…

> Apple doesn't play well with enterprises

Well, it plays too well actually. At my current job and at previous one we had a choice Mac or a Windows laptop.

Mac ones were alway much more rigid with restrictions, less hackable (e.g. Installing Linux side by side was impossible on Mac, because it broke macos somehow as a result of enterprise drive encryption).

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Post by dublinben »

owl57 wrote: post #363
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #297

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As someone who uses one of the minority desktops within a minority distro (Fedora w/ Cinnamon spin), I agree that all of the trash-talking within a community is to the detriment to its spread. I almost wish we could get all Linux users to verbally agree to something like the following: "I will not trash popular Linux desktop environments to outsiders. Ubuntu is fine. GNOME is fine. I understand that for the sake of t…

GNOME isn't fine. See, on switching keyboard layout it switches focus from current window while it writes some file to disk. Yes, it's not terrible on SSD, and I bet whoever invented this monstrosity has an SSD. But needing an SSD not to lose some of the letters you type just screams of insanity. OTOH, yes, the rest of Ubuntu is fine, and to anyone fed up with Windows I gladly recommend anything else based on Ubuntu…

How often does a user switch their keyboard layout?

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by zeusk »

codewithcheese wrote: post #380
zeusk wrote: post #373

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Try using any Google property without chrome, or try using any iOS device without safari. This is pretty harmless in my opinion.

Your reasoning does not make it harmless, it makes Microsoft the same as Google and Apple.

harmful is google purposefully blocking their properties to mobile edge when everything worked with changed U/A string.

Concerning at best, since they're using first party grounds for advertising but that does not make it harmful.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by ubercow13 »

owl57 wrote: post #363
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who uses one of the minority desktops within a minority distro (Fedora w/ Cinnamon spin), I agree that all of the trash-talking within a community is to the detriment to its spread. I almost wish we could get all Linux users to verbally agree to something like the following: "I will not trash popular Linux desktop environments to outsiders. Ubuntu is fine. GNOME is fine. I understand that for the sake of t…

GNOME isn't fine. See, on switching keyboard layout it switches focus from current window while it writes some file to disk. Yes, it's not terrible on SSD, and I bet whoever invented this monstrosity has an SSD. But needing an SSD not to lose some of the letters you type just screams of insanity. OTOH, yes, the rest of Ubuntu is fine, and to anyone fed up with Windows I gladly recommend anything else based on Ubuntu…

Huh? So? Surprisingly, Ubuntu MATE has bugs too, you can look here too see some of them: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate
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