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Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course; I didn't mean to imply they enjoy them. I just meant that they're often subjected to them.

Why are teenagers subjected to this kind of stuff anyway? It's usually pretty apparent that they don't like this stuff. They won't tell you outright, because they're trained to be compliant and taught to never entirely disagree, but it should still be apparent to those who understand teenagers, no?

Because it's easy to do and gives you an answer to "What are you doing about X" where X is one of:

Bullying

Drugs

Sex

Cheating

Whatever

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course; I didn't mean to imply they enjoy them. I just meant that they're often subjected to them.

Why are teenagers subjected to this kind of stuff anyway? It's usually pretty apparent that they don't like this stuff. They won't tell you outright, because they're trained to be compliant and taught to never entirely disagree, but it should still be apparent to those who understand teenagers, no?

Chauvinism really. It is assumed they have no opinions of worth and best to be overridden by someone "right" higher than them (administratiors).

That tendency is in no way unique to teenagers and has a long and dark history.

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #61

A good rule of thumb is that the more a corporation talks about "culture", the more the employees should be wary that they are getting fleeced. A lot of companies have realized that they get employees to work harder for less if they are able to get the employees to develop some sort of emotional attachment to the company. If you as an employee are getting a lot of push about "company culture" and the company is tryin…

> A lot of companies have realized that they get employees to work harder for less if they are able to get the employees to develop some sort of emotional attachment to the company. This is the kind of bullshit I inoculate myself against by telling myself: This is not your life. These are not your best friends. This is you farming gold out of a megacorp so you have the means to advance the story-driven missions that…

One can tell themselves their 40 hour work week (not including commute) isn't their life. They would be lying to themselves.

A 40 hour work week is 23.8% of your week. If you get 7 hours of sleep per night, it's 33.6%. I don't want a third of my waking hours to not be my "real" life.

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #76

The most common reason people leave companies is not compensation. It's usually about relationships, primarily with the boss but also coworkers. I'm on the spectrum, so I function a bit like an automaton which places little value on the social aspects of work, but most people aren't like that. This is how "on the spectrum" I am. One time I was on a team that did a team building exercise where we went to a local chari…

> I calculated how much that cost the company and made a presentation to my boss about how much more we could have done by hiring minimum wage workers to perform the same manual labor for the same $ they paid us. This is funny and very self-aware of you, but you bring up a good point. Would people feel worse/better/the same if the company said "you can take a day off today and we're going to give your day's salary to…

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Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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The most common reason people leave companies is not compensation. It's usually about relationships, primarily with the boss but also coworkers. I'm on the spectrum, so I function a bit like an automaton which places little value on the social aspects of work, but most people aren't like that. This is how "on the spectrum" I am. One time I was on a team that did a team building exercise where we went to a local chari…

Your story reminds me of an anecdote in The Economist where an econ professor wondered why it was socially unacceptable to hire someone to help his friends move house rather than helping directly himself, when he didn't want to.

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #32

Company culture and values training is useful to inform people of what the culture and values are. You can’t impose or change culture and values through training. “Culture” is just a summary of what people do — the way to reinforce it is just to do it. If people are visibly rewarded day-to-day for acting a certain way, and visibly not rewarded (and let go) for doing the opposite, that’s going to be what determines th…

I think this has a name, but I can't recall it -- Workers always end up doing whatever that the higher ups reward, not what they say they want. They can parrot about culture however much they want, but in the end if being an asshole is what get you bonuses and promotions, that's the employees they'll get

The word is "incentive"!

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #24

It's part of the ongoing "corporatization" and "MBA-ization" of US colleges and universities. GW's attempt to institute a "culture" using techniques developed at Disney is just one of many possible examples, although I will admit it is a particularly easy one to mock. (Quoting the OP: "The GW culture initiative can be summed up in two words: Mickey Mouse.") Much of higher education in the US is now controlled by an a…

> Perhaps the most salient example of this ever-expanding bureaucracy is Stanford's shiny new 35-acre campus in Redwood City, which houses only non-academic administrative staff Is this really a good example of administrative bureaucracy growing out of control? I mean, if you had to pick a group of people to move off your university campus due to space constraints, it seems like administrative staff would be the logi…

I couldn't tell you if it's "out of control" (your words), but it sure is a salient -- i.e., prominent, noticeable -- example of bureaucratic growth.

Whether the "corporatization" of US high education will prove a good or a bad thing in the long run, it remains to be seen.

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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post #24

It's part of the ongoing "corporatization" and "MBA-ization" of US colleges and universities. GW's attempt to institute a "culture" using techniques developed at Disney is just one of many possible examples, although I will admit it is a particularly easy one to mock. (Quoting the OP: "The GW culture initiative can be summed up in two words: Mickey Mouse.") Much of higher education in the US is now controlled by an a…

So, I have been professional staff at two different major universities in the past.

It's easy to point at certain areas of staff growth as excessive (cue someone quoting the number of "diversity" administrators at college X) and I agree there's plenty of areas of waste.

However, the big picture is that I think the "big research university" has defined it's mission as something which is inherently going to be an extraordinarily complicated enterprise to run.

And other trends outside their control have contributed as well.

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If you think about the "research" side, most are attempting to run cutting edge labs in basically every domain, at once. That's very difficult to support from a facilities, technology, etc perspective. You wind up with numerous small groups with complex, completely different needs and few economies of scale, unlike running say, a huge R&D lab in one domain/small set of domains like pharma or semiconductors or something.

Reduced direct state funding means that universities are ever more dependent on alumni support, grant money, other fundraising, and monetization of R&D development (patents/IP). All of which require a sizeable quantity of people to oversee who do not teach or research. It is, or should be a net positive in terms of finances if you're doing it, but it certainly doesn't make stats like employee ratios look better.

On the student side, the growth in fancy student housing/services is well-covered ground I won't repeat, but is also a contributor to costs.

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The article mentions outsourcing, but fails to mention that most functions typically have reasons why they're difficult to outsource. That's not to say that none can be done, but "it's not that easy" is also true.

They mention security as an example.

Most campuses have full police departments with sworn officers, empowered to make arrests, file criminal charges, carry firearms, and so on. They can't hire an outside company to do it in their place, and given the size disparity with the towns they often exist in, local police would be unable to provide a sufficient level of service. (Nor would local taxpayers be accepting of funding it to support an entity not paying property taxes).

For public universities, this is also often a matter of state law. Ex: The NY State University Police is a state agency that handles policing at SUNY schools. No SUNY campus head, or even the head of the SUNY system, has any power to outsource that function.

There's also a not invalid perception of a different level of professionalism (even with issues with American policing) and level of required training between "private security" and "actual police officers" in most places.

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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As someone who is not from North America, this positive/good vibe culture really baffles me. You are a human being. Negative emotions are part of life. World is full of pain and sufferings. You are supposed to feel empathy for other people and feel bad for their misfortune even if you have the good luck of not going through suffering. I just don't understand this obsession of feeling good all the time. I don't know h…

It comes from two religious movements in the U.S. that became popular starting in the 50's and has been gaining momentum ever since: Prosperity Gospel and New Age Spirituality.

They both focus on you projecting "good vibes" and only allowing others who also project good vibes around you. If you can do this, then (Nature/God/the Universe) will reward you.

Re: The Disneyfication of a University

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A good rule of thumb is that the more a corporation talks about "culture", the more the employees should be wary that they are getting fleeced. A lot of companies have realized that they get employees to work harder for less if they are able to get the employees to develop some sort of emotional attachment to the company. If you as an employee are getting a lot of push about "company culture" and the company is tryin…

I agree with most of what you say but I see it as more benign. Culture is not just a "trick". A company with good culture is bringing real value to the table, and for this reason they can get a better deal in other areas.
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