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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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What's funny about this is they seem like they're way behind the times. A long time ago I switched to Firefox... it got worse (comparatively), and I switched to Chrome for everything, a long time ago. Google started disabling and neutering things like ad blocking, enforcing rules and settings with exceptions for Google domains. Firefox dramatically improved both its responsiveness and its security and privacy feature…

Edge runs on Mac

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Back to the anti-competitive behavior that got them in trouble years ago. Someone inside Microsoft at a senior level needs to intervene here with the marketing teams and tell them to stop.

How is this different than getting an ad for Chrome when you go to google.com?

What is up with the recent wave of relativism-type comments? "Yes, Facebook is bad, but what about Reddit?" "Yes, Microsoft is bad, but what about Google?" etc etc

They're not productive. Yet a ton of people are doing it. It almost smells like astroturf.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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This, and every other screw-up in the same vein, is why those of us old enough to remember the Halloween documents don't buy the whole "new Microsoft" thing. Want to get me to try Edge? Great -- instead of a passive-aggressive ad, try telling me how it's better than Firefox and why I'd like to use it instead. What will it get me? Better privacy? Better performance? Better development tools? Cynically, it's amazing th…

Over the last couple of years I've been coming round to the fact that microsoft aren't necessarily a major problem now, compared to google and amazon at least. Doesn't take much to put the shields back upto full. I just don't understand why people run windows. Maybe I just use computers wrong, having been on linux for the last 20 years, but my family (who I refuse to help with IT needs) are all far happier on chromeb…

> I just don't understand why people run windows.

I like gaming. That's pretyty much all I do on Windows. I have a macbook for work because MacOS gets out of your way and just works. I have a linux server and a linux workstation for other stuff - the workstation for coding, experimenting etc, the server for VPN endpoint, gitlab, time-machine and various other servery things.

But for games, if you're wanting to game on PC, windows is King. And that's why my workstation has windows installed too.

(My mother and my brother still use it because I can't be bothered to try to teach them anything else)

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Back to the anti-competitive behavior that got them in trouble years ago. Someone inside Microsoft at a senior level needs to intervene here with the marketing teams and tell them to stop.

How is this different than getting an ad for Chrome when you go to google.com?

Because we paid money for this OS license, and we didn't go to Microsoft.com

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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I feel largely the same... they build some really cool things, and developer division, the azure guys and .net core guys I've talked to are all great... why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things, I don't get. Just auto-update edge and put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble... no need to disparage anything, it'd be more assertive and less annoying at the same tim…

Great people don't work at crappy companies.

I have heard second hand that the devtools group is practically a separate company.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. This has been Microsoft forever. They have always made some good things, but from a business perspective, they've always been parasitoids. They infect you, then eventually consume you from the inside-out. THAT is their DNA. And so far, I have seen z…

Thats the DNA of pretty much any profit based oganization.

If you over-generalize, sure.

But different corporations are selfish/ruthless/exploitative in different ways, and organizing our thinking about the ways in which a for-profit organization acts selfishly/ruthlessly/exploitatively helps us make our own decisions and craft our own strategies for getting what we want from them, or choosing with whom we do business.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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I think part of the issue is that it is on the OS level rather than browser level on a specific website but I agree, they are all shady.

that, and also we paid for the windows license.

So? There are free products with ads (like Gmail), paid products without ads (like Netflix and Windows 8), and paid products with ads (like Hulu and Win10 home edition). I'm not the biggest fan of the paid+ads business model, but it's a valid model and Microsoft has been pretty consistent - Win10 has followed this model since release, so nobody is being tricked.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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This will be unpopular but I don't care - I see nothing shady. They're promoting their product. In the era when we're lied to at every corner of internet, I see nothing wrong with Microsoft promoting their new and AWESOME browser. Sadly, despite my love for Mozilla and Firefox, Edge is superior browser for me . It looks better, it works faster, it uses less memory and its developer console is much snappier, detailed…

> what are they supposed to do? Do nothing?

Isn't Edge still actually bundled with Windows? How is that nothing?

> SJW logic

WTF?! What part of this is "SJW"? And how is their title misleading?

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