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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

#81

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How do normal people (who use Windows) think that this is ok? In what universe is that possibly ok - to put ads in a paid-for OS? No matter the context, no matter the version of an os, no matter the reason, no matter what the ads are for, no matter that they could through some questionable hacking or editing be removed - ads in a paid-for OS. Has the whole world gone crazy? What is going on here?

Isn't windows free now?

I think pretty much. If you have a PC that has ever have any form of activated windows on it in the past it should activate a windows 10 install. So this would prob only exclude people building on new hardware which are considered oem anyway.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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This, and every other screw-up in the same vein, is why those of us old enough to remember the Halloween documents don't buy the whole "new Microsoft" thing. Want to get me to try Edge? Great -- instead of a passive-aggressive ad, try telling me how it's better than Firefox and why I'd like to use it instead. What will it get me? Better privacy? Better performance? Better development tools? Cynically, it's amazing th…

Over the last couple of years I've been coming round to the fact that microsoft aren't necessarily a major problem now, compared to google and amazon at least. Doesn't take much to put the shields back upto full. I just don't understand why people run windows. Maybe I just use computers wrong, having been on linux for the last 20 years, but my family (who I refuse to help with IT needs) are all far happier on chromeb…

> I just don't understand why people run windows.

There are many, many products that either run significantly better on windows (Office) or are completely unavailable on other OSs (many video games).

That's changing, for sure. But there's still a long tail of products that semi-necessitate windows.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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I feel largely the same... they build some really cool things, and developer division, the azure guys and .net core guys I've talked to are all great... why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things, I don't get. Just auto-update edge and put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble... no need to disparage anything, it'd be more assertive and less annoying at the same tim…

> put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble [...] less annoying I have to disagree here. Messing with people's pinned taskbar icons is much more intrusive than a suggestion (which anyone sane has already disabled) > why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things I'm sorry but that's pretty funny right before suggesting to literally change users settings without their co…

Perhaps the grandparent was referring to doing all that, by default out of the box? Sounds like a nice compromise all around.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…

"Again"? When did they stop? You mean that hypocritical "MS loves Linux" stuff while their partners are digging the grave for FOSS like in Munich?

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…

Plus the latest versions of Edge are built on Chromium ... are they going to advertise against that too?

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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My god if apple did something like this people would burn cities down. Why do people still trust Microsoft when their OS is literally a native advertising and tracking tool now

Don't they? Don't they push out new apps which get installed and pinned to the Mac dock after almost every other update without asking first? I could be mistaken, I don't use macs every day.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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This, and every other screw-up in the same vein, is why those of us old enough to remember the Halloween documents don't buy the whole "new Microsoft" thing. Want to get me to try Edge? Great -- instead of a passive-aggressive ad, try telling me how it's better than Firefox and why I'd like to use it instead. What will it get me? Better privacy? Better performance? Better development tools? Cynically, it's amazing th…

Over the last couple of years I've been coming round to the fact that microsoft aren't necessarily a major problem now, compared to google and amazon at least. Doesn't take much to put the shields back upto full. I just don't understand why people run windows. Maybe I just use computers wrong, having been on linux for the last 20 years, but my family (who I refuse to help with IT needs) are all far happier on chromeb…

support is an obvious reason. with the exception of some dev tools and mac-only creative software, pretty much everything supports windows.

I can go out and buy any high end laptop and be confident it will work well with windows. similarly, if I want to throw some random hardware in my desktop, I don't have to worry about whether drivers exist for my os. all this stuff requires an additional research step with linux.

in short, if you're a power user (and especially if you like choosing your own hardware) and you want your os to "just work", windows is the best of few options.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Does anyone know enough to comment on how this jives with the settlement that Microsoft reached with the EU around 2010 over accusations of leveraging their monopoly in operating systems to drive user choice in browsers?

Considering that the browser choice UI first "neglected" and then removed from Windows we can safely call this another EU bubble.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

#89

Back to the anti-competitive behavior that got them in trouble years ago. Someone inside Microsoft at a senior level needs to intervene here with the marketing teams and tell them to stop.

How is this different than getting an ad for Chrome when you go to google.com?

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

#90

Why are they attacking Firefox instead of Chrome? It seems really weird.

I think the article just sited an anecdotal example from one user who had Firefox installed. Maybe others with Chrome see Chrome instead? Or maybe ms is trying to play nice with Google to make edge chromium development easier.
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