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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by raxxorrax »

jefftk wrote: post #30
raxxorrax wrote: post #18

Yes, still using Firefox because Edge is complete shite. Thank you for asking. And now please remove yourself, unnecessary and unhelpful start menu.

Are you talking about the old Edge or the new one? The new Blink-based Edge is pretty good, and doesn't have the lingering incompatibilities of old EdgeHTML.

The old Edge to be fair. I don't think it is that bad, but the html engine would be the least of my concern. Only rarely do I create websites and Edge gave me no problems here.

I don't like its restrictive and opinionated settings. Some criticism has been adressed but I don't have an incentive to switch. Because I believe bad habits of MS resurface as soon as enough people do so. I have seen that it got better, but it just isn't enough. I don't use an online account for my OS because that would be silly, so some of its functions aren't even accessible.

Overall it just cannot be configured to my liking. It is usable, but certainly no Firefox.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by ForHackernews »

fortran77 wrote: post #29

I just installed and ran Firefox. I was presented with a page of ads: https://i.imgur.com/HiS8k1L.png Note that the "top sites" aren't my top sites. They're ads. And then there's an ad at the bottom.

Unless you're personally donating large sums of money to Mozilla, you need to stop whining about their innocuous, non-spyware ads that are easily removed.

Your alternative isn't some hypothetical "pure" browser. Your choices are Microsoft spyware, Google spyware, or presumably some Chinese spyware. Or Firefox, imperfect though it may be.

There are now only two viable rendering engines left in the browser world, and Firefox Gecko is one of them.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by aurbano »

alxlaz wrote: post #20

This, and every other screw-up in the same vein, is why those of us old enough to remember the Halloween documents don't buy the whole "new Microsoft" thing. Want to get me to try Edge? Great -- instead of a passive-aggressive ad, try telling me how it's better than Firefox and why I'd like to use it instead. What will it get me? Better privacy? Better performance? Better development tools? Cynically, it's amazing th…

Exactly this. Show me facts, what percentage of battery life will it save my _specific_ laptop compared to FF, how much faster will _my_ experience be.

Is there anything that the dev tools will allow me to do that I can't with FF Developer Edition?

In any case I'm mainly a MacOS user, but still.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by zchrykng »

alxlaz wrote: post #28
chrisseaton wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft doing shady stuff again. Seems anything but shady? On the start menu in full sight and just explicitly suggesting their browser over Firefox. Doesn't even claim anything about either browser, just suggests theirs! Seems as honest and upfront as any advertising could be? 'Try our band of coffee' effectively.

It's certainly shady, given that they own both the product they're advertising and the medium they're advertising it through. I don't expect that I'll be able to get them to give me a top spot for an ad saying "Concerned about Microsoft's tracking policy? Mozilla Firefox is here", or "Still using Edge? Why not just get the original -- Google Chrome is here'.

No, but Google would be more than happy to put the later on their main search page. Not really any different. Microsoft controls Windows and uses it to advance corporate goals. Google owns their search interface and uses it to advance their corporate goals.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by squaresmile »

Shorel wrote: post #54

The old Edge is one of the best Epub readers I have ever used. The new Edge, I have no reason at all to use it over Firefox. I hope no banking website makes it necessary to use Edge, as it happened with previous Microsoft browsers.

Yep, it's a shame that they removed it and actively prevented me from using it even though I still have old Edge on my system.

Now I need to import epubs into Calibre to have a reasonable epub reader.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by zulban »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #60

I think Microsoft has every right to suggest their own browser. Chrome does it. Firefox does it. You have to opt out of the reminder. So you have to opt out of Start menu ads. Big deal. Can we focus on something slighty less trivial please?

Firefox is a browser. Chrome is a browser. Windows is an operating system. Consider having a closer look at the IE anti-trust cases to better understand the difference.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by alxlaz »

zchrykng wrote: post #64
alxlaz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly shady, given that they own both the product they're advertising and the medium they're advertising it through. I don't expect that I'll be able to get them to give me a top spot for an ad saying "Concerned about Microsoft's tracking policy? Mozilla Firefox is here", or "Still using Edge? Why not just get the original -- Google Chrome is here'.

No, but Google would be more than happy to put the later on their main search page. Not really any different. Microsoft controls Windows and uses it to advance corporate goals. Google owns their search interface and uses it to advance their corporate goals.

What does Google have to do with any of this?

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by stanski »

chrisseaton wrote: post #32
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's advertising. Smack bang in the middle of the OS you paid hundreds for.

I get people don't want it. But it's the least 'shady' advertising I've seen in years!

Any advertising that's badmouthing another product is shady. I don't know what advertising you've been seeing that's so much worse.
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