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Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by leftyted »

simongray wrote: post #85
tasogare wrote: post #41

In France, in the game industry, there is Motion Twin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Twin "Motion Twin is run as an anarcho-syndicalist workers cooperative with equal salary and decision-making power between its members." Also, this is where the Haxe programming language was created.

> In August 2019, Motion Twin spun off a new studio, Evil Empire, composed of Dead Cells developers who wanted to continue its development while Motion Twin moved to a new project. Evil Empire is run by Motion Twin's former head of marketing and is not run as a cooperative, particularly because the company wanted to scale beyond ten employees. Motion Twin continues to participate in Dead Cells decisions. Spawning mor…

The quote clearly says that the new company is "not run as a cooperative".

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by youdontknowtho »

iagovar wrote: post #84
youdontknowtho wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're an investor, it says so in your profile. Most of your comments have a fairly standard pro-markets anti-regulation view point. I was extrapolating that to be conservative but you could also be a liberal pro-markets type. So, my bad. After doing some cursory googling, it looks like you were probably referring to the ETA. I would like to hear more about the terrorism and corruption, if you feel like going into it…

What a weak and low effort post. This is not reddit. If you didn't find anything then that's were you should stop, otherwise you're only trying to entertain your biases and push them onto us.

I love how everyone here thinks they are above bias. It's precious. I'm just honest about mine.

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by [deleted] »

leftyted wrote: post #91
simongray wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In August 2019, Motion Twin spun off a new studio, Evil Empire, composed of Dead Cells developers who wanted to continue its development while Motion Twin moved to a new project. Evil Empire is run by Motion Twin's former head of marketing and is not run as a cooperative, particularly because the company wanted to scale beyond ten employees. Motion Twin continues to participate in Dead Cells decisions. Spawning mor…

The quote clearly says that the new company is "not run as a cooperative".

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Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by irthomasthomas »

I thought Chomsky's quote was interesting.

"Take the most advanced case: Mondragon. It’s worker owned, it’s not worker managed, although the management does come from the workforce often, but it’s in a market system and they still exploit workers in South America, and they do things that are harmful to the society as a whole and they have no choice. If you’re in a system where you must make profit in order to survive, you're compelled to ignore negative externalities, effects on others."

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by jboynyc »

hooverlunch wrote: post #83

There are lots of small tech worker coops in the U.S. and Canada. See https://techworker.coop . I co-founded one, Sassafras Tech Collective, in Ann Arbor. It's been an amazing journey. I don't think I could ever go back to working in a non-democratic workplace.

Cool, thanks for chiming in here.

> I don't think I could ever go back to working in a non-democratic workplace.

I would love to read a bit more about that sometime.

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by simongray »

leftyted wrote: post #91
simongray wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In August 2019, Motion Twin spun off a new studio, Evil Empire, composed of Dead Cells developers who wanted to continue its development while Motion Twin moved to a new project. Evil Empire is run by Motion Twin's former head of marketing and is not run as a cooperative, particularly because the company wanted to scale beyond ten employees. Motion Twin continues to participate in Dead Cells decisions. Spawning mor…

The quote clearly says that the new company is "not run as a cooperative".

You're right. Not sure how I managed to completely misread that.

That's a lot more boring then.

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by macspoofing »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #94

I thought Chomsky's quote was interesting. "Take the most advanced case: Mondragon. It’s worker owned, it’s not worker managed, although the management does come from the workforce often, but it’s in a market system and they still exploit workers in South America, and they do things that are harmful to the society as a whole and they have no choice. If you’re in a system where you must make profit in order to survive…

It's easy for anyone to take potshots from the sidelines, but surely Chomsky sees the economic, and humanitarian disasters that non-market based systems ALWAYS result in. What's the alternative here?

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by arminiusreturns »

tasogare wrote: post #41

In France, in the game industry, there is Motion Twin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Twin "Motion Twin is run as an anarcho-syndicalist workers cooperative with equal salary and decision-making power between its members." Also, this is where the Haxe programming language was created.

I didn't know thats where Haxe came from! Pretty cool.

On that subject, Haxe has been interesting me more and more lately. Does anyone have any thoughts on it they care to share?

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by MagnumOpus »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #94

I thought Chomsky's quote was interesting. "Take the most advanced case: Mondragon. It’s worker owned, it’s not worker managed, although the management does come from the workforce often, but it’s in a market system and they still exploit workers in South America, and they do things that are harmful to the society as a whole and they have no choice. If you’re in a system where you must make profit in order to survive…

While of course companies that operate in a non-market system and could take into account negative externalities, such as systemically important PRC or NorK SOEs, would never exploit workers or create bad working conditions - at home or in South America...

Re: Mondragon Corporation

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Post by patcon »

There's a really inspiring federation of 40-ish tech worker co-ops in Argentina called FACTTIC[1], who have been developing a neat process called FIT[2] by which they share work amongst themselves via regular check-in calls. It's almost like they're part of a big meta-company together that shared opportunities based on their needs (e.g., who needs the money the most, etc.)

Here's a video of a presentation they gave on the format: https://agaric.coop/blog/show-and-tell-agaric-sharing-work-o...

The most exciting part is that they're now trying to share the model with tech worker co-ops abroad, and maybe even figure out how to build similar trust between international co-ops.

Disclaimer: I'm a member of a new tech worker co-op in Toronto, Canada (Hypha[3]), and have a big crush on FACTTIC.

[1]: https://facttic.org.ar/ [2]: https://facttic.org.ar/fit/ [3]: https://hypha.coop

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