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From the article: At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative. For most workers, this ratio is smaller…

Does it matter if it's large? I was just talking to a friend who started a small company, merged with a bigger company and thought he had done everything right. After a few years, he regretted selling the company. Small is beautiful. We learned this as children. Challenge the mantra of size and growth.

it matters but not in the sense that everybody should aim for a super large corporation.

It matters because it validates that cooperatives can grow very large, and refutes the claims such as "yes it's nice, but of course it works only for small ventures and could never grow)

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From the article: At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative. For most workers, this ratio is smaller…

The interesting thing about this wage ratio is they had to increase it in the beginning of the cooperative because very few people were willing to take more responsibility for little more pay. So maybe there is a study to be done about what could be the optimum wage ratio that allows a company to attract top talent for management positions and at the same time is not perceived as injust and exploitative by the lower…

There is a difference between pay so poor no one is willing to take the job and pay good enough to get top talent. Clearing the first hurdle doesn't say anything about the second.

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From the article: At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative. For most workers, this ratio is smaller…

The John Lewis Partnership in the UK employs about 83,000 so perhaps a bit bigger. Not strictly a co-op, but very close.

there's also The Co-op in the UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co-operative_Group

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is more related to each company status (and laws). Eroski almost broke and is in "survival mode" right now. As I know the general objective is to be around 60-70%.

So if they get rid of eroski and just privatise it, you think they can go back to 70%? I think lagun aro still not up there in terms of people with vote rights, no? But you work there so you probably know better

Well I think the main idea is sanitize it first (at least they are trying) then I suppose that they will be able to "add" more people to the cooperative. From Lagun Aro I do not have exact numbers sorry but I know that the main idea is to have +-60%. For example, right now in my company we are at 50% of people with vote rights because an unprecedented grow in last years (went from 250 to 340 workers in 4 years) with the idea to go back to 60% little by little depending on market conditions.

Here are some positive links about Eroski from spanish newpapers.

- https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/...

- https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-benef...

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I did some freelance work for their University's Engineering Faculty in ~2014 and it was pretty cool, reading up on them here now I can see how their coop nature influenced their research, as a lot of it was about making sure that workers and management both felt important and appreciated.

My work was on some "business simulators" for a management course they were preparing.You would first pick what kind of response you'd like from your employees or clients (i.e. "passion" - they would consider their project worthwhile, back the vision, realize that people are key... ) and then you'd be able to control 15 management parameters (like job security, management transparency, salary range, leadership style, training... ) then you'd see a chart with the output and even see "thoughts" that your employees would probably have.

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I wouldn't hold Mondragon Corporation to a very high standard. Back in 2005-06 the company I worked in was intending to acquire Mondragon's wind turbine business (Ecotecnia). This was finally acquired by Alstom.

During the due diligence we saw the high level of political corruption, and terrorism financing Mondragon was involved in. Very distrubing. Once we saw this, we stopped looking at the acquisition.

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From the article: At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative. For most workers, this ratio is smaller…

It's nothing compared to Amul - a dairy behemoth in India which employs about 3.6 MILLION people.

They brought in the "White Revolution" making India the largest milk producer in the world!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amul

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From the article: At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative. For most workers, this ratio is smaller…

The John Lewis Partnership in the UK employs about 83,000 so perhaps a bit bigger. Not strictly a co-op, but very close.

Im not sure if this is a worker-coop. I'm actually only interested in worker coops. Should have clarified that.

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From the article: At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative. For most workers, this ratio is smaller…

It's nothing compared to Amul - a dairy behemoth in India which employs about 3.6 MILLION people. They brought in the "White Revolution" making India the largest milk producer in the world! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amul

This Amul a worker coop? I'm only interested in worker coops, should have specified that.
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