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Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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I knew this was the case but the reminder is just more motivation to revert back to purchasing optical media, ripping it, and using mpv on a computer.

I don't want my entertainment to be tied up with advertising. I don't want my whole life to be subject to metrics.

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

#3

I knew this was the case but the reminder is just more motivation to revert back to purchasing optical media, ripping it, and using mpv on a computer. I don't want my entertainment to be tied up with advertising. I don't want my whole life to be subject to metrics.

Advertisement works because most people do not feel this way and are ok with metrics and adds as long as they get something back. Is that ok, or is there a rational argument why everyone should feel bad about being subject to metrics?

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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money quotes

> Running with a Pi-hole helps, but still misses about 27% of A ID leaks, and 45% of serial number leaks.

and

> Our measurements showed that tracking is prevalent on the OTT platforms we studied, with traffic to known trackers present on 69% of Roku channels and 89% of Amazon Fire TV channels… Our analysis of the available privacy countermeasures showed that they are ineffective at preventing tracking.

the fact that pihole is ineffective is troublesome.

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

#5
post #3

I knew this was the case but the reminder is just more motivation to revert back to purchasing optical media, ripping it, and using mpv on a computer. I don't want my entertainment to be tied up with advertising. I don't want my whole life to be subject to metrics.

Advertisement works because most people do not feel this way and are ok with metrics and adds as long as they get something back. Is that ok, or is there a rational argument why everyone should feel bad about being subject to metrics?

Ignorance and acceptance aren't the same thing. Many people would be and regularly become disturbed by the amount of tracking, but it is complex and difficult to understand on purpose. GPDR tried to make it obvious but missed the mark, making everybody accept cookies is just a blind annoyance.

The rational argument against tracking is the enormous power it enables. Humans aren't aware enough of how easily they can be manipulated, more information means more and easier manipulation. More information also enables actual power for the abuse of the population.

The power assymetry can only be abused and it will gradually grow until it will be very difficult to remove.

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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post #4

money quotes > Running with a Pi-hole helps, but still misses about 27% of A ID leaks, and 45% of serial number leaks. and > Our measurements showed that tracking is prevalent on the OTT platforms we studied, with traffic to known trackers present on 69% of Roku channels and 89% of Amazon Fire TV channels… Our analysis of the available privacy countermeasures showed that they are ineffective at preventing tracking. t…

You can improve that stat. If you have a router that allows it, make a rule that allows port 53 out if it’s from the Pihole, and redirects it back to the Pihole if it isn’t. You’ll catch more of the sneaky crap that way.

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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post #3

I knew this was the case but the reminder is just more motivation to revert back to purchasing optical media, ripping it, and using mpv on a computer. I don't want my entertainment to be tied up with advertising. I don't want my whole life to be subject to metrics.

Advertisement works because most people do not feel this way and are ok with metrics and adds as long as they get something back. Is that ok, or is there a rational argument why everyone should feel bad about being subject to metrics?

It is ok if that is their decision and they have the ability to choose. I would contest that this is realized for modern devices.

There are so numerous "rational" arguments against it, that it is not even funny. And I doubt that many people like the current situation. The trick is to not ask.

Many people I know don't connect their TV to the net at all. They may would use its features, but not wanting to be spied upon is one of the big reasons.

That said, even the older generation starts to use TV less or have devices that record the program and cut out advertising while not connecting their "smart" TV.

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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post #6

After reading this, I think if everyone setup a Tor node just for TV, that’s be great (harder to identify who is watching what).

Did you actually read it? It literally says identifiers were sent irrespective of tracking settings. Tor only masks IP and that was never the intent of the Tor network and using it that way is a is a complete waste of resources that doesn’t solve anything.

Re: Tracking systems of TV streaming devices

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post #4

money quotes > Running with a Pi-hole helps, but still misses about 27% of A ID leaks, and 45% of serial number leaks. and > Our measurements showed that tracking is prevalent on the OTT platforms we studied, with traffic to known trackers present on 69% of Roku channels and 89% of Amazon Fire TV channels… Our analysis of the available privacy countermeasures showed that they are ineffective at preventing tracking. t…

You can improve that stat. If you have a router that allows it, make a rule that allows port 53 out if it’s from the Pihole, and redirects it back to the Pihole if it isn’t. You’ll catch more of the sneaky crap that way.

dot/doh is here, pihole is becoming irelevant
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