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Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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My high school (Leland HS) didn't have a named group, so much as what would be called now an extended hackerspace / "AP computer class" around the mid-/late-90's. It was full of random PS/2 25 and 30, PC jrs and random donations and casts-off. A lot of students were working on VGA/audio demos, code, trading wares and writing joke viruses.

Fond memories of pointless techno-factoids:

0. It's possible to instantly lock-up a system by trying to copy any file to one of the special IBM DOS reserved file names like CLOCK$ or some-such. COPY CON CLOCK$ or COPY CON > CLOCK$ ?

1. The giant capacitors of the linear PSUs held enough charge so you could flip a machine's power switch on-and-off fast enough without it resetting.

2. It was awesome to code on systems with actual IBM VGA adapters, and more challenging to code towards 286's lacking FPUs rather than 486's.

3. Floppy disks were terrible: slow and prone to developing errors if you looked at them disapprovingly. If you wanted something, you better make two copies because looking at a disk wrong would lead to corrupted sectors. Wares was a slow business back then.

4. 10Base2 was awesome so long as no one disconnected the line between nodes or either terminator.

5. There wasn't much open source back then. In fact, the prevailing paradigm led to pointless code hoarding for things that weren't ever going to be products. And, so much was lost and less exchange of knowledge occurred because of it.

6. There were some really artistic coders in the bunch who combined mod tracking and VGA tricks into awesome demos.

7. Oh and we had a "satanist" who I think was trying to troll society as much as possible.

8. I remember writing my own "rawrite" floppy image saver that could copy 5¼" and 3½" disks including DMF disks too.

9. At home, I was probably the only kid with my own computer on a UPS and networked access to an HP LaserJet 4. I remember there was a class where a final (test) could have one (1) 3" x 5" (7 x 15 cm) notecard worth of notes, and so I used WordPerfect and a 0.5 pt font to print out over 50 lines per size and 4 columns of text on each size. Thank you 600 dpi and youthful better than 20/20 vision! I don't think many word-processors (except a publishing system like InDesign or LaTeX) allow text in decimal fractions Without Dr. Thaw letting kids do their own thing for the most part, I don't think it would've been as cool.

IIRC, Nolan Bushnell visited my AP Physics class, although I didn't understand his significance to tech until later in life.

PS: I was about 6 and was taken with my family to see this random house under construction in the hills that had a castle theme. More enticing that whatever it was about, the steepness of the grade of the street in front of it seemed like a good place to launch a skateboard or see how fast my bicycle would go. :D Years later, I found out it was Woz's house. |-d :-B

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I was the in the "Computer Club" in highschool, in the late 90's early 00's. In retrospect it was quite amazing that we lucked out, because what happened was a guy who had been working in the industry decided he wanted to bring computing to his hometown, and so left the industry and used his contacts to push for a top-notch tech center in the high-school. It was one of the very first high schools to have the Cisco Ne…

> I really am thankful to that man for bringing the future to my high-school so that many of us had a headstart in the industry ourselves.

Unless you know that man to be a private person, you should mention his name.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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My parents were apart the Atari club in Eugene Oregon, US. I grew up with the 16bit, 32bit, the STE and the Mega STE ataris before stopped making them in the early 90s. My parents still have them around. My earliest memories were loading games off of a cassette tape

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I was a kid in an Apple ][ pirate user group in Okinawa, Japan in the early 80's. My Dad was a schoolteacher on a military base there. We'd meet once a week on Sunday afternoons in the High School cafeteria, everyone lugging in their computers and boxes of blank disks. And what did we do? We copied. The club had massive binders full of hundreds (thousands?) of 5.25" floppies. You'd "check out" a disk by replacing it…

In private elementary school in the mid 1980's, I remember LOGO and Oregon Trail on Apple ][e's. For some reason, I recall the power indicator light on the keyboard (an incandescent bulb?) would have a cover that would be missing or burnt away, and hot and sometimes painful to the touch. Oh yeah, I went to summer school once that had Pinball Construction Set.. it was one of the first open-ended, sandbox-type games, a kind of "spiritual predecessor" to The Incredible Machine series that really did UX well.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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The Tokyo Linux User Group

I have been running the Tokyo Linux User Group for the last 13 years. The club was started in 1994. I was first involved in 2002.

We have an event once a month alternating between technical meetings were we have speakers and Nomikai's[1] (Japanese drinking party).

Its hard to say exactly how big the group is because we have a lot more users lurking on our mailing list then people attending any given event. Our events attract between 10-30 attendees, and they are mostly different people depending on the time and topic being discussed.

Open source software dramatically changed the way a lot of people used computers. A lot of open source software runs on Linux which made TLUG a great meeting place for a diverse group of people.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomikai

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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The Tokyo Linux User Group I have been running the Tokyo Linux User Group for the last 13 years. The club was started in 1994. I was first involved in 2002. We have an event once a month alternating between technical meetings were we have speakers and Nomikai's[1] (Japanese drinking party). Its hard to say exactly how big the group is because we have a lot more users lurking on our mailing list then people attending…

Wow, 10-30 attendees in Tokyo! It really puts things into perspective how one should measure a user group.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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post #60

Amsterdam Subversive Center for Information Interchange (ASCII) It was a group of squatters, hackers, anti authoritarians, non-conformists and anarchists. They proselytised Linux and GNU software. I only visited some of their courses, pretty basic stuff where they would teach about Linux usage, HTML & CSS, some basic programming, etc. The audience was always a motley of social classes and skill sets. The actual membe…

There was a similar scene in the early 2000s in Madrid. Diverse people, some of them more political, some more technical, some trying to promote free software. I'm not sure why it disbanded, but I got the clear impression that unity was delusional. Political activists parasyted the free software movement. They contributed nothing, except the wild epic, while they used volunteers' work to publicize their agendas. I re…

I like how you ramble about how the political people contributed nothing without realizing that free software, or at least the GPL, is inherently somewhat political.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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Back in the eighties I was the founder (and president for several years) of a Danish user group for BBC/Acorn computers (called Quercus). We included all computers from Acorn ranging from the Atom and the various versions of the BBC and Master up to the new RISC based Archimedes computers. This was before the internet, but we established a BBS and had a lot of fun. We had a reunion a few years back where people could play with a BBC model B and a Raspberry Pi.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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post #65

The Tokyo Linux User Group I have been running the Tokyo Linux User Group for the last 13 years. The club was started in 1994. I was first involved in 2002. We have an event once a month alternating between technical meetings were we have speakers and Nomikai's[1] (Japanese drinking party). Its hard to say exactly how big the group is because we have a lot more users lurking on our mailing list then people attending…

Wow, 10-30 attendees in Tokyo! It really puts things into perspective how one should measure a user group.

Most of our presentations are in English which is a barrier to many.

That said, around 20 attendees is a really nice size. Its small enough that its easy to host technical meeting or book restaurants but large enough that you have a range of different people.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a similar scene in the early 2000s in Madrid. Diverse people, some of them more political, some more technical, some trying to promote free software. I'm not sure why it disbanded, but I got the clear impression that unity was delusional. Political activists parasyted the free software movement. They contributed nothing, except the wild epic, while they used volunteers' work to publicize their agendas. I re…

I like how you ramble about how the political people contributed nothing without realizing that free software, or at least the GPL, is inherently somewhat political.

There’s nothing wrong with that. The parent is talking about people who only contribute politically (ie activists). There’s nothing wrong with people who contribute free software with political motivations (GNU), but that’s not the people that the parent was talking about.
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