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Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by fjorgemota »

mapcars wrote: post #39
Insanity wrote: post #2

Proton works amazingly well for me, on my Debian install. I recommend people try it out :)

It works properly only with AMD video cards right?

nope, it also works VERY well with NVIDIA.

You only need a GPU that works fine with Vulkan, tho, like those reported on this page (if your GPU is made by NVIDIA, ofc): https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver

On Intel iGPUs it works if it has Vulkan support but, as always, the performance isn't that good (as with any Intel iGPU).

The unique thing made by Valve that only run on AMD is ACO, a shader compiler for Vulkan that's faster than LLVM, which is used by the open-source stack

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by stragulus »

IshKebab wrote: post #11
axaxs wrote: post #5

As a 20 or so year long linux as a desktop user, I've had my hopes up so many times that more people would embrace Linux. It's always been about the games, largely. Hell we had id's stuff running, and there was even a company porting Blizzard stuff if I remember right. This is the first time I've been genuinely enthused that "it's happenening", and I cannot be more thankful to the Wine team and Valve.

I would say it used to be about games. But now many people use laptops and Linux has pretty terrible support for most of them. It often "works", but you'll usually have some issue with bluetooth or wifi or the trackpad, and good luck getting anywhere near as good battery life as Windows or Mac.

I'm a power user and have been using linux since the early days. Support has actually never been this good. Mostly due to standards in buses and hardware. Even GPU support is relatively good despite the closed-natured mindset.

I'd still never recommend it to anyone who wants something that "just works" though. It will never be on the same level as that needs a ginormous organisation to provide testing, support, documentation. Especially if you follow the Windows model with all the hardware support vs the Mac model.

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by ta999999171 »

clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #9
axaxs wrote: post #5

As a 20 or so year long linux as a desktop user, I've had my hopes up so many times that more people would embrace Linux. It's always been about the games, largely. Hell we had id's stuff running, and there was even a company porting Blizzard stuff if I remember right. This is the first time I've been genuinely enthused that "it's happenening", and I cannot be more thankful to the Wine team and Valve.

It's not only games. The Wayland/X/Nvidia fiasco is killin me. To use Wayland and gestures I need to basically ignore the graphics card and run everything via integrated. I love Linux but I also love when things just work and I don't have the time or energy to use my computer as a foss/Linux zealot ideology battleground.

"Gestures" in/for what?

There's always going to be a new proprietary hotness they keep locked away...who cares?

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

#54

Post by johnchristopher »

oliwarner wrote: post #50
alkonaut wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if I was a linux desktop user otherwise, I’d still prefer booting to a windows partition just to never have to wonder if the drivers are eating 5% of my FPS, or if that recent crash maybe doesn’t happen to everyone and it’s just me seeing it on Linux. Games (of the normal kind) are pretty special in that you literally aren’t doing anything else simultaneously, and you are probably running them long enough that a…

I suspect we value different things because from my perspective that 5% seems entirely worth not putting up with Windows' nonsense. Over and above not needing to shut down everything, or tangle up my system in a complex VM.

I recently give up and bought a PS4 that is sitting under my dockstation. I really wanted to play Horizon Zero Dawn. Now, I've bought back games I already owned on PC (Firewatch and Dreamfall Chapters. Waiting for The Witness and Talos principle promo). It's a soothing experience. I was tired of the windows driver hunt and tweaking.

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by SomeSnail »

dylz wrote: post #46

Actual link: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Changelog This blog spam is serving drive by malware. https://i.imgur.com/DpYTX0d.png appears to be the trigger, for people interested.

Sorry, I didn't know about that. For me it showed just a regular ad. I removed that code and won't be using this ads anymore.

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by neuromute »

axaxs wrote: post #5

As a 20 or so year long linux as a desktop user, I've had my hopes up so many times that more people would embrace Linux. It's always been about the games, largely. Hell we had id's stuff running, and there was even a company porting Blizzard stuff if I remember right. This is the first time I've been genuinely enthused that "it's happenening", and I cannot be more thankful to the Wine team and Valve.

A big thanks also needs to go to Philip Rebohle for his DXVK package, and Joshua Ashton for his D9VK package, both of which are part of the not-so-secret sauce that Proton uses with Wine to get such a good compatibility with an ever increasing list of Windows games. I have huge respect and admiration for their contribution to Linux gaming.

Linux gaming is looking pretty healthy now.

An obligatory shoutout goes to Ryan C. Gordon (icculus) for this continued contributions to native Linux gaming too (currently working on porting Descent 3). He made it possible for me to play some of my favourite games on Linux well over a decade ago.

VR is the one thing I’ve really been wanting on Linux. I held off on buying a Vive for my PC (I have PSVR though), due to the lack of advertised first class support for Linux, but it seems that the Index kit is fully supported on Steam OS. I’d buy the Index kit right now, if it weren’t for the long list of RMA horror stories I keep reading about on /r/ValveIndex. If Valve could improve quality control on their hardware, myself—and I’m sure other Linux users—would be more inclined to purchase it.

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by ryukafalz »

ta999999171 wrote: post #53
clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not only games. The Wayland/X/Nvidia fiasco is killin me. To use Wayland and gestures I need to basically ignore the graphics card and run everything via integrated. I love Linux but I also love when things just work and I don't have the time or energy to use my computer as a foss/Linux zealot ideology battleground.

"Gestures" in/for what? There's always going to be a new proprietary hotness they keep locked away...who cares?

My guess would be for a laptop with a more recent touchpad in e.g. Gnome. It’s not “proprietary hotness,” it’s free software that only works on Wayland because that’s where lots of recent DE development has been. Nvidia users are out of luck; and I do blame Nvidia for this and intend to buy AMD next time.

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

#59

Post by Fnoord »

siliconpotato wrote: post #34
alkonaut wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if I was a linux desktop user otherwise, I’d still prefer booting to a windows partition just to never have to wonder if the drivers are eating 5% of my FPS, or if that recent crash maybe doesn’t happen to everyone and it’s just me seeing it on Linux. Games (of the normal kind) are pretty special in that you literally aren’t doing anything else simultaneously, and you are probably running them long enough that a…

I haven't looked closely at windows for about fifteen years, but back then the antivirus was horrible. I/o and general performance was hideously slow as everything had to be inspected against virus signatures and heuristic analysis. Is that still The same now or you whitelist the AV for games?

We run x86-64, with a SSD (SATA2/3, or NVME). I/O should not be a problem anymore, regardless of OS.

Re: Proton 5.0, a package to run Windows games on Linux

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Post by Fnoord »

IshKebab wrote: post #11
axaxs wrote: post #5

As a 20 or so year long linux as a desktop user, I've had my hopes up so many times that more people would embrace Linux. It's always been about the games, largely. Hell we had id's stuff running, and there was even a company porting Blizzard stuff if I remember right. This is the first time I've been genuinely enthused that "it's happenening", and I cannot be more thankful to the Wine team and Valve.

I would say it used to be about games. But now many people use laptops and Linux has pretty terrible support for most of them. It often "works", but you'll usually have some issue with bluetooth or wifi or the trackpad, and good luck getting anywhere near as good battery life as Windows or Mac.

Nothing comes close to a MBP's trackpad on a Mac.
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