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Debt is coming to the tech industry

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Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

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debt and intellectual property do not mixup since by definition there is nothing to back up the debt (unlike real estate or any other industry outside of software). The author suggests to backup of the debt with a revenue stream, but those : 1) depend on the churn rate. 2) Are stable only for mature companies. Post product-market fit.

Well, there is something to back up the debt - but not something that can be seized.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#52
post #16

Debt financing would be wonderful (note to non-business-savvy readers: this is not even remotely the same kind of thing as personal credit card debt or whatever other completely unrelated thing is making you sanctimoniously kneejerk that "debt is bad". Can we please have an informed discussion of debt as a part of a business capital structure?) for software businesses, which have very predictable capex costs. The iss…

I don't think it's only cultural, software businesses also have very few assets that could be liquidated. Volkswagen might finance 2/3 of everything it does with debt, but if it just stopped tomorrow and sold all production facilities then lenders would get more than half their money back. If a typical software startup stops operating and sells off all its assets it gets a bit of spare change and the lenders leave wi…

The users paying each month are the assets in this article’s thesis. As long as when a company shuts down, they transition their users to a new entity (since they are valuable reoccurring revenue), the lenders will get paid.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#53
post #30

Debt and VC are just sides of the same (multi-sided) coin. The money has to come from somewhere - domestic savings, commercial profit or sovereign wealth. The unicorn phenomenon is easier to explain this way - if you are already a company that can consume huge amounts of debt (you have a business model, product and route to market and just need to replicate) then you used to have one choice - take on debt. Now, where…

> As such the only likely way "debt is coming" is if interest rates climb, giving money an alternative to VC. Surely that's backwards: a lot of money really wants to be invested in debt, and is only doing VC because the returns to debt investing are so bad. Offer those investors a better alternative - comparable returns to a second-tier VC fund (which is not actually that hard), with something they can pretend is a s…

Rates are so low on high yield bonds that investors are pouring money into private credit which is invested by alternative asset managers like Blackstone/GSO

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#54
> Furthermore, in the Bay Area Founder-VC scene, FK/PK tension simply isn’t perceived as a problem. Founders increasingly think of themselves as capital allocators who think in bets, and the angel investing scene has brought founders and VCs together as social peers. There’s no FK/PK tension between investors and founders. They all want the same thing, and they all hang out at the same parties. The tension has simply been redistributed, largely onto employees. The greatest trick VCs ever pulled was convincing founders, “you’re just like us.”

Recommend reading the whole article if you're curious about the nuance in this. It flies above the current milieu.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#55
"Any one customer may be unknowable, but cohorts of customers can be modelled and understood decently well."

Just substitute "mortgage" in this sentence, think back on events of the last decade, and you can see what is horribly wrong with this article.

Lots of debt, all given to tech startups, which will almost all go bust with the first recession. Let's see, what does that remind me of?

Of course, if you believe that the government would step in to take the downside, then you could just get the upside in the time between now and when the downturn comes.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#56
post #16

Debt financing would be wonderful (note to non-business-savvy readers: this is not even remotely the same kind of thing as personal credit card debt or whatever other completely unrelated thing is making you sanctimoniously kneejerk that "debt is bad". Can we please have an informed discussion of debt as a part of a business capital structure?) for software businesses, which have very predictable capex costs. The iss…

How does debt help deal with "very predictable capex costs"? You would need very predictable revenue to make it work, otherwise equity financing seems like it might be preferable.

Debt financing generally makes more sense for capex, not opex. Servicing the debt becomes an opex, basically, so it would be weird to finance opex out of it.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#57
post #43

I'm really not sure what's the point of the article. The idea that there is no debt yet in "tech" isn't even true. Uber, WeWork, and especially Tesla have been raising capital via debt. Not to mention Brex which covers the tail end of the startup market with "debt backed by revenue". I'm putting it in quotes because it's a ridiculous idea.

As far as I can tell Brex literally just “lends” money to people that already have money. They lend based on cash in the bank and have the right to debit cash straight from the bank account. It hasn’t been clear to me that they’re even involved in any kind of actual issuance of debt in a meaningful sense at all.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's only cultural, software businesses also have very few assets that could be liquidated. Volkswagen might finance 2/3 of everything it does with debt, but if it just stopped tomorrow and sold all production facilities then lenders would get more than half their money back. If a typical software startup stops operating and sells off all its assets it gets a bit of spare change and the lenders leave wi…

The users paying each month are the assets in this article’s thesis. As long as when a company shuts down, they transition their users to a new entity (since they are valuable reoccurring revenue), the lenders will get paid.

Are you imagining a successful company with a large book of users generating a healthy ARR? If that’s the situation, the lenders will get paid, because the business will keep running.

The more likely risk to a bond holder is that the company fails to generate a healthy business, pays most of the loan out in salary while trying, and now the lenders own the company which is a couple of two year old laptops and a few thousand per year in ARR that cannot be profitably served.

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

#59
Can't find it now but I remember reading about a recently launched Seedcamp or Point Nine portfolio company that is doing this for B2C SaaS companies I think. You let them plug into your stripe metrics etc. and they then give you debt based financing (using AI/algos to determine amount and rate based on your numbers: churn, growth, recurring revenue etc.)

Re: Debt is coming to the tech industry

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post #16

Debt financing would be wonderful (note to non-business-savvy readers: this is not even remotely the same kind of thing as personal credit card debt or whatever other completely unrelated thing is making you sanctimoniously kneejerk that "debt is bad". Can we please have an informed discussion of debt as a part of a business capital structure?) for software businesses, which have very predictable capex costs. The iss…

I don't think it's only cultural, software businesses also have very few assets that could be liquidated. Volkswagen might finance 2/3 of everything it does with debt, but if it just stopped tomorrow and sold all production facilities then lenders would get more than half their money back. If a typical software startup stops operating and sells off all its assets it gets a bit of spare change and the lenders leave wi…

Usually you do a voluntary reorganization between the creditors and the business in the event of default, and a business with steady revenue is often an asset worth owning.
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