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Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

I do both. Digital music is way more convenient to initiate, continue, store and take with you -- so I use that the most. But, it's almost too convenient in some cases to the point where I often don't appreciate what is really happening and the music just becomes background noise. Although it's obviously possible, I rarely use digital music to sit and listen to an entire album anymore. On the other hand, when I liste…

Before the Internet, YouTube, Facebook, Reddit hobby forums it was your music that defined you.

If you listened to metal you dressed that way too, indie pop another way, your music defined who you were, your friends, the magazines you bought.

There are just so many ways for kids to define themselves these days, music is important but I don't think they feel defined by what they listen to (not to the same extent).

I am jealous of how cheap music is now, I wish it could have been cheaper in my youth.

Signed, Old git.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

Don't start looking for the people who think crt monitors are better for gaming then - https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/

Pixel art games probably are, see: https://i.imgur.com/NiYyjTP.jpg

I recently digitized videos from VHS tapes and noticed that they too looked much better on CRT than on a modern LCD. The source was equally poor in quality, but the experience somehow much better on a CRT.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

I understand that, there's a certain ritual to playing a vinyl that will appeal to some. Objectively from a sound quality perspective it's the same thing as plopping a CD or playing a (correctly compressed) file from your computer but the ritual and potentially the nostalgia make it significant.

I feel the same way with videogames: plopping a disc in my old PlayStation feels "better" than playing on an emulator. You get the sound of the system, the composite noise on the TV. It's not rational, it's actually generally a worse experience than using an emulator, but it feels like home.

I'm perfectly fine with that, most of what's fun in life is effectively pointless. What annoys me is when people make up pseudo-science to justify their tastes. Analog sound being warmer is nonsense, you can master a CD to be as warm as you want. CDs effectively have the range to reproduce anything we can hear[1], you could record a vinyl playback, master it on a CD and it'll sound exactly the same.

[1] Okay, technically the human ear has a higher dynamic range than a CD can reproduce, but that doesn't really matter in practice because in practice you never want to master a track where some parts are as loud as an airplane taking off and others are as quiet as somebody whispering at the other side of a stadium. And it's not like vinyl would fare better anyway, that's mostly an argument for the audiophile nuts who claim that 16bits per sample is not enough.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

There’s a lot of music that is hard to find on popular digital distribution networks like Spotify. They have gotten better to be honest but I still have vinyl records where there’s either not a digital version or more likely there is somewhere but it’s taken from a record. Or even taken from the original mastering and not remastered for digital which does make it sound awful compared to the original mastering. This was a huge problem in the early 90’s with CD’s and why so many CD’s from that era sound awful. Most of the more popular albums and quite a few niche ones have since been remastered for digital. But there’s a lot of obscure music that hasn’t been remastered for financial reasons or the masters don’t exist.

For new music recorded digital a vinyl record will probably sound worse really.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

I do both. Digital music is way more convenient to initiate, continue, store and take with you -- so I use that the most. But, it's almost too convenient in some cases to the point where I often don't appreciate what is really happening and the music just becomes background noise. Although it's obviously possible, I rarely use digital music to sit and listen to an entire album anymore. On the other hand, when I liste…

I have never used "AI Curated playlists", and I'm listening to music only by full albums (no shuffles, no random, nothing), because one unit of my favorite music is album, not track (still).

But I don't understand vynil records at all. It is worse than even CD, not to mention high-res downloadable albums. Dynamic range is worse, noise floor is worse, stereo separation is worse.

I'm old enough to listen A LOT of LP records in the past, before widespread of CDs in my country (ok, we have affordable CDs later than USA or UK or Eastern Europe, for sure), but, no, never again!

There was period of time, when mastering for CDs was much worse than mastering for Vynil, because CDs could bear "black wall" of sound and Vynil cannot. But, again, Loudness War seems to end about 15 years ago...

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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> I think it's more likely your age group. I agree, that's certainly part of it and I'm happy to hear that young people are still obsessed about music. I'm not suggesting you need physical media to do it, but I am saying the medium has changed things to some degree. Back then, if we wanted a mix tape, we'd have to mix it. Now, spotify generates five new ones each day for each of us, or we can request a new one on the…

When I tried spotify a few years ago, it was exactly this aspect that totally failed my expectations. I wanted a service like Spotify as a replacement for genre radio. I wanted something that somehow figures out my tastes, and generates a mix for me. In my experience, this totally fails unless you happen to like the most commercial pop music available. Whenever I tried to coax it to play some alternative and undergro…

I suspect you didn’t use it for long enough for it to develop a good profile of your tastes. I’ve been using it for 5 years and the recommendations are my favourite feature, and on the whole very impressive.

I’d consider myself into quite underground music (electronic/techno, nothing mainstream or commercial at all, I’d wager even most people who consider themselves into electronic music wouldn’t have heard of a lot of the artists I listen to) and it usually gets it pretty right, sometimes amazingly so.

I’ve been introduced to some of my favourite music by Spotify, and the interface makes exploring related artists etc. really easy. Ideally I’d like better cataloguing (e.g. tagging) and metadata (e.g. more emphasis on labels) but I know I’m a niche user and I can work around these limitations.

My tips if you try it again would be:

- if it recommends something you don’t like, press thumbs down (if available) and skip - they use skipping as a signal you don’t like something

- build up a collection of music you do like, using the save button and/or playlists

- check out the feature which plays related music after you’ve finished listening to a track or album - this often finds the most interesting music for me

- check out the “related songs” area under any playlists you’ve created. If you have focussed playlists (e.g. I have ones for different subgenres), this can help you discover some great stuff.

I’d actually say the stuff Spotify plays after an album/song is the best part of their recommendations for me. The daily mixes it generates aren’t bad. Release Radar and Discover Weekly can be a bit hit or miss, sometimes for example it will recommend overly commercial stuff for my tastes, but it’s always worth scanning through (and I do thumbs down the really off recommendations).

It’s not perfect of course, for example sometimes I find it gets “stuck” in a small subset of artists after a while, but combined with other sources and some input to guide, Spotify is the best service I’ve found for discovering music, and is way above for example YouTube suggestions

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

I'm curious why one would care in the first place.

But to answer your question- in my family we find vinyl a fun way of discovering artists and songs we would never be served by either a DJ on the radio or some algorithm used by a service.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Don't forget that some "obscure" music is marginally cheaper/easier to obtain on vinyl. For example space age pop, which is one of things in the sweet spot for collecting (for pleasure, not for money): used to be popular and mass-manufactured, now almost no one cares, so the market has a lot of this relatively cheap. Living in the former communist country, I regret not having easy access to heaps of Western vinyls in Goodwills and such, but at least seller awareness is not that high.

Also, records are psychologically so much nicer to own. They are large and so is the artwork. Pretentious/ridiculous liner notes are great. Having them set up to sound on par with digital (I don't claim to have means or ear to achieve true "audiophile" sound) is a PITA and requires some money or hustling/tinkering (that's me). You have gear maintenance, cleaning etc. But it's a little hobby in itself.

There is also interesting things about the vinyl itself you start to notice. Up to about 1960s the material was thicker, and then starts the progression toward the "floppy" vinyl from 1980s (although some state publishers in my country used the old style even then, great production quality also). Nowadays vinyl is thick and heavy again and probably better produced than ever. But it also became a semi-luxury product so it's almost never worth it, at least for me. I have some new records that they messed up in manufacturing but I'm sure it also happened back in the day.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

For me there are two aspects. First is directly related to your question, which is that vinyl has stricter limitations on the mastering[1] compared to digital. Some might prefer the sound that results from these limitations, at least when well done.

But for me it's mostly about the ceremony around playing a record. You have to actively participate, preparing the player, and you sit down and listen to the record in linear order. No fast skipping. So when I listen to vinyl it's about relaxing and enjoying the music for what it is.

[1]: https://www.gottagrooverecords.com/vinyl-mastering/

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Depends on the car. Try a decent sports car with a performance gearbox. My previous car was an m140i. 0-60 for the automatic is actually stated as faster for the automatic gearbox, as the car is better at shifting than a human. I don’t think Ferrari even make manual gearboxes with clutches any more?

You should try a Tesla. One gear. Is that somehow not a performance gearbox?

The Tesla and the manual have something else in common; braking as soon as you let off the gas (at least if you configure 1 foot driving and downshift driving)
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