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Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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Disabling Javascript by default avoids most of this, though it breaks some sites.

uBlock has some cookie popup removers

Then the website ends up not scrolling or thinks that it has a modal that needs closing; ended up opting out of that after a couple months of annoyance.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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It's amusing (and infuriating) that file search - IMO, one of the most important features for a desktop O/S - has been utterly broken in Windows since Vista. On Windows 10, half the time it just hangs with "Searching files", displaying zero results. The other half, search simply says "Nothing found", even when I know there is a match. I just tested it with %USERPROFILE%/.docker - open up File Explorer and search for…

It’s relatively easy to implement search - you need only minimize the Levenshtein distance between the search string and the file name string. The difficult part is actually indexing all file names and their string contents on the system. Grep is a different tool, mainly using regular expressions to match strings within files and I don’t think it is feasible to be continually loading the contents of all strings conta…

> The difficult part is actually indexing all file names

okay, ...

> and their string contents on the system

... why would you even do that? ls-lR.gz works. And that’s exactly what people wants 80% of time.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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The search behaves “as if” it’s using randomly-ordered keys in a random source dictionary, and it’s maddening. If I type what seems to be the same 3 letters a few times in a row, the result is always different: one time it acts like the app isn’t even installed, another time it finds the app (first choice), another time it finds some other random sub-component instead of the app with a weird file extension. Oh, and m…

>the same input produces the same set in the same order, every single time or it’s useless Sounds like you want to freeze search index at some point in time. This is actually useless. Also keep in mind that indexing is a background task.

No, you just need to record and track wheights for each selected or pinned search term. This way you can update the index and all meaningful entries will still be displayed in the same order due to the influence of the wheights.

Order should change, but if I type "Ble" I would like Blender (the only entry I ever selected after typing "Ble" to come first and not some random file I never ever opened manually.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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It’s relatively easy to implement search - you need only minimize the Levenshtein distance between the search string and the file name string. The difficult part is actually indexing all file names and their string contents on the system. Grep is a different tool, mainly using regular expressions to match strings within files and I don’t think it is feasible to be continually loading the contents of all strings conta…

I was always very skeptical about the need for search indexing for local files - how often do you search for stuff to need indexing in the first place? I have a ton of files, certainly more than the average Windows user and i do search for things often enough (at least once a day). To search i use Total Commander (allows for both wildcard/regex searches, archive searches, content search with a bunch of options) which…

Totally agree. Back then in XP I'd always disable search indexing, prefetch and superfetch in order to reduce that constant disk activity.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

#86
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Of all the things I hate about Windows, unified search is the worst. If I want to search the web, I'll search the web--there's an app for that, the browser. Let me just search my hard drive, please. I didn't experience this bug, but if I had, I'd be furious that I couldn't search my own local files without somehow getting an internet service involved.

'sudo find / | grep ' has always worked as local search for me.

there's also, you know, locate

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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It's amusing (and infuriating) that file search - IMO, one of the most important features for a desktop O/S - has been utterly broken in Windows since Vista. On Windows 10, half the time it just hangs with "Searching files", displaying zero results. The other half, search simply says "Nothing found", even when I know there is a match. I just tested it with %USERPROFILE%/.docker - open up File Explorer and search for…

I personally never use search tools; at least, not with files I've created myself. IMHO organising correctly your files using aptly named directories and sticking to that is much more effective than dumping stuff around the filesystem and then having to rely on search in order to untangle the mess. That's why I tend to disable desktop icons; in this way I always have to force myself into opening a file manager and ac…

Yea I was thinking about this and I never use OS search either. I suspect the reason it's "broken" is because Microsoft has the data that says most people don't use the feature and therefore it's not worth the improvement cost.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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To me, Microsoft's PR message has always amounted to "Windows users are either too busy, dumb, disorganized, impatient, or unfamiliar with their systems to know how to do things, so we try to think for them." It was amazing how much more productive and powerful I felt switching to Linux. Like, I could suddenly FIX problems without having to install some sketchy .exe or driver. Can't understand why people stick with W…

I definitely roll my eyes when people say that on Windows everything "just works". I have to fix (or just deal with the fact that I cannot do anything about it) just as many things that break or go wrong with Windows as I do with Linux. Hacking around with the registry is just that. A hack job to roughly get Windows to behave until the next update breaks it. At least on Linux you have the whole system open to you and…

But for some people it just does work. Without the need for any hacks, just some tweaking of settings. So when I see people saying they roll there eyes when they they see those claims, I say: think a bit further, consider other factors. Like, it depends on what you do with it perhaps, on the hardware?

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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Of all the things I hate about Windows, unified search is the worst. If I want to search the web, I'll search the web--there's an app for that, the browser. Let me just search my hard drive, please. I didn't experience this bug, but if I had, I'd be furious that I couldn't search my own local files without somehow getting an internet service involved.

Apple has made this mistake about seven different times, the earliest being with Sherlock on OS9. Mixing local file search with Internet search solves no problem and causes chaos. The use cases for the two kinds of search are very different and users prefer using different tools for these jobs. Just stop doing this, Apple and Microsoft.

Totally agreed, and Spotlight does the same now on both macOS and iOS. I usually turn everything off in Spotlight except the file search, calculator and conversions. But overall it's still not nearly as bad as Windows'.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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I personally never use search tools; at least, not with files I've created myself. IMHO organising correctly your files using aptly named directories and sticking to that is much more effective than dumping stuff around the filesystem and then having to rely on search in order to untangle the mess. That's why I tend to disable desktop icons; in this way I always have to force myself into opening a file manager and ac…

Yea I was thinking about this and I never use OS search either. I suspect the reason it's "broken" is because Microsoft has the data that says most people don't use the feature and therefore it's not worth the improvement cost.

But they've just recently, with 1903, revamped Explorer as well as taskbar search.

In general, I find it very hard to believe this is a people few users rely on. It's the primary way to launch programs for me.

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