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Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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post #36

What idiot uses proprietary software with the expectation of privacy? Not to mention the fact that Microsoft is pretty up front about their extensive use of telemetry. If you're looking for an operating system which isn't expressly built to profit off of you and your data, try a Linux or BSD distribution.

THIS. These reporters are turning into gossip websites. No facts, just speculations and reacting dramatically to their self-created speculations.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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post #36

What idiot uses proprietary software with the expectation of privacy? Not to mention the fact that Microsoft is pretty up front about their extensive use of telemetry. If you're looking for an operating system which isn't expressly built to profit off of you and your data, try a Linux or BSD distribution.

Well,

I've worked on some defense projects and navigation software for billion-dollar hardware. While at Microsoft I also worked on two system services that shipped with Windows 10.

Even I expect a certain amount of privacy when working on my personal workstations. Some of my work (team-effort intellectual property) produced while living in New York was sold to Microsoft for 24 million dollars around 2012.

Seems to me that it would make research and development uncomfortable for start-ups. Imagine having the ability to query all of the search terms performed on workstations for any R&D group in the world.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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Does this mean that microsoft could be keeping copies of the meta data of every file on every windows computer on their servers and doing the search there?

Well, yes, they obviously can as in could, as could any other OS.

This incident doesn't actually show any local files being sent to MS, however. Online search can be disable with a registry entry, which proves that the online service is not necessary for searching local files. It's far more likely that a connection error for the bing search is just triggering some bug that then prevents local results from being shown.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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post #5

Of all the things I hate about Windows, unified search is the worst. If I want to search the web, I'll search the web--there's an app for that, the browser. Let me just search my hard drive, please. I didn't experience this bug, but if I had, I'd be furious that I couldn't search my own local files without somehow getting an internet service involved.

What is the alternative? Mac does the exact same with spotlight.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The IE integration with Windows was to extinguish Netscape Navigator. So I'm guessing this move is probably to destroy chrome and indirectly google search. Microsoft used their OS monopoly to destroy Netscape. Not sure if it will work today since they don't dominate the smartphone space.

Or, maybe, document/file search is a pretty useful and commonly expected feature for a desktop operating system? And extending it to online search is an entirely natural next step? Even if this were a plot against Google, it would simply be bog-standard competition. It has absolutely none of the characteristics of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish".

I can't believe you'd suggest something as rediculous as users wanting a unified search bar that just gives them what they want regardless of context. History has shown time and time again that users like diversity and would prefer a solution that they can tailor together in a piecemeal fashion after trying all their options.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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Can't say I ran into this particular bug, but I tend not to trust the search on Windows much anyway. I myself have implemented better text/prefix matching and ranking using a very simple SQLite database schema, on a far larger dataset than 'the local machine', yet Microsoft repeatedly fail at a task which should succumb easily even to brute-force approaches.

They don't get to claim that it's a harder problem than indexing a hard disk without first explaining why they think they should retain the use of their fingers for continuing to send search terms over a network after I, as the owner of the hardware and 'owner' of the OS instance have made a concerted effort to turn that shit off.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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The search behaves “as if” it’s using randomly-ordered keys in a random source dictionary, and it’s maddening. If I type what seems to be the same 3 letters a few times in a row, the result is always different: one time it acts like the app isn’t even installed, another time it finds the app (first choice), another time it finds some other random sub-component instead of the app with a weird file extension. Oh, and m…

If anyone from Microsoft happens to be reading this thread, please read the above comment, then re-read it. It's a spot-on description of the problems and solutions for Windows search.

Edit: and just to expand on a point the commenter made, the results would be more valuable if it prioritised in an order like this:

1) Something the user has pinned

2) Something the user has launched a bunch of times

3) The shortcut leads to an .exe that's likely to be the main program file

4) Anything else

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at how much the results change based on small changes to the input. Type three letters in a name and get a lot of things that aren't what you want. Type the fourth letter and the exact thing you're looking for jumps to the top. But if you add the fifth letter it goes away. I feel like it's trying to be too clever or, because it assumes the input is coming from voice recognition, it doesn't trust that what you ty…

Thanks to both of you for mentioning this. Every time I encounter this strange behavior in WIN10 -- I am so dumbstruck by it each time it still feels like it must have been a "glitch-in-the-matrix". I mean, because no one would really release software like that, would they? At least not a multi-billion software behemoth like MS? Right?

I know why this happens.

It happens because someone doesn't understand that search rankings vs. queries have to have a 'smooth' solution, and thinks they can tweak a few weightings here and there to get the results they think are 'correct' for the very specific cases they have in mind, without realising that this has a knock-on effect on the entire scoring space and you get odd singularities and stuff popping up as a result.

The people in question should not be touching anything even distantly related to a computer in any professional context.

Re: Skepticism after Windows 10 search failure

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The search behaves “as if” it’s using randomly-ordered keys in a random source dictionary, and it’s maddening. If I type what seems to be the same 3 letters a few times in a row, the result is always different: one time it acts like the app isn’t even installed, another time it finds the app (first choice), another time it finds some other random sub-component instead of the app with a weird file extension. Oh, and m…

Maybe the varying results can be explained by your searches being routed to different servers, with each server having slightly different indexes or algorithms?

Do you see the same issue when disconnected from the web?

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