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Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by AndrewBissell »

meowface wrote: post #85
Consultant32452 wrote: post #80

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This is only a problem if the state has sanctioned mass child rape or necrophilic cannibalism. If the state did sanction those actions, we deserve to know.

If they did sanction such things, they'd never admit it. If they didn't, it does them no good to comment on this, or anything , one way or the other. There's no benefit to asking them and no benefit to answering. We know Epstein was a genuine pedophile. It's not impossible that his actions were his (and Ghislaine's) own. Maybe he was trying to blackmail people for his personal profit, or maybe blackmail wasn't part o…

> Maybe he really was working for one the whole time and the people responsible thought the ends justified the means.

Listen to yourself. The end these people seek is to set themselves above the law so they can hollow out the world to line their own pockets, play with the lives of entire nations like pieces on a chessboard, and rape children.

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Post by Udik »

tsimionescu wrote: post #171
Udik wrote: post #168

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I fully agree with you until the part about the USA. Yes, it's true that the US aren't a reluctant ally but an enthusiastic one; but this is because the US have been led to believe through relentless lobbying and propaganda that their interests always coincide with those of Israel. Which is of course not true, and cannot be true by definition. But the level of confusion is such that Kushner, who as a government offic…

Perhaps I misspoke, I didn't mean to imply that the population of the USA has its interests aligned with Israel. I meant that the US ruling class is very much happy with Israel's actions, because the turmoil in the region often lines their own pockets, and at least attacks a lot of their own enemies.

> and at least attacks a lot of their own enemies.

But how much of the enmity is simply due to the US's support of Israel? Am I the most loyal friend of a bully because his victims are my enemies, or his victims hate me because I am his most loyal friend?

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by jyrkesh »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #152
commoner wrote: post #151

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It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since Internet privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then. (Edited to add "Internet" above.) > Until Snowden, the idea that Western governments would routinely collect, store, and analyze our personal data sounded like a conspiracy theory to many people. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/the-snowden-lega.…

"It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then." No it's not. I can't find any data to this narrative. There were (media) discussions on the government collecting all the data it can in the 70s, and they come up with every census. There have been huge discussions around ECHOLON. There have been huge discussions…

I was shocked. Most of my tech savvy and industry friends were shocked. My parents were shocked. It was BLANKET metadata collection (and probably more). A Google engineer who eventually encrypted traffic between their internal data centers was shocked: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131106/00235225143/pisse...

I know people were "absolutely sure" before PRISM leaked, but it was a revelation to many.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by Relys »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #136
peteretep wrote: post #90

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The one time there’s potentially a real global Israeli/Mossad conspiracy and the tinfoil hat crowd are convinced it’s somehow all the Clinton’s fault.

That may itself be an intelligence agency psy op. The origins of the Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracy theories are very opaque, but the leading promoters were Jack Posobiec (former naval intelligence) and Mike Cernovich (who featured Alan Dershowitz in one of his documentaries). The Clintons are 100% involved though.

Oh Pizzagate and QAnon were most defiantly PsyOps ran by some nation state. You just need to surround a little bit of truth, around a whole lot of lies, to hide that little bit of truth.

If I had to guess, Pizzagate was somehow linked to Epstein's associates. I'm a little more certain of QAnon. I think that one is the GRU (what Russia calls the KGB now).

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by jjeaff »

londons_explore wrote: post #145
BubRoss wrote: post #114

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You think someone who built multiple retail empires would give someone power of attorney because they seemed skilled? Power of attorney transfer is for people who are dying or mentally disabled.

Power of attorney can be used for some international tax dodging schemes - laws are inconsistent on which of the two people must pay/report the tax, and by doing that across a country border, you can avoid the tax without anyone breaking the law.

There are also lots of levels of power of attorney. It can be as limited in scope as to a single bank account with limitations. So I question whether this was full on power of attorney or some limited scope that we are lacking details of.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by AndrewBissell »

Relys wrote: post #184
AndrewBissell wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may itself be an intelligence agency psy op. The origins of the Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracy theories are very opaque, but the leading promoters were Jack Posobiec (former naval intelligence) and Mike Cernovich (who featured Alan Dershowitz in one of his documentaries). The Clintons are 100% involved though.

Oh Pizzagate and QAnon were most defiantly PsyOps ran by some nation state. You just need to surround a little bit of truth, around a whole lot of lies, to hide that little bit of truth. If I had to guess, Pizzagate was somehow linked to Epstein's associates. I'm a little more certain of QAnon. I think that one is the GRU (what Russia calls the KGB now).

QAnon in particular has been extraordinarily effective at diverting people with a manic focus on the Epstein case and elite pedophilia into a never-ending maze of dead ends and spurious connections. And I think both were intended to quash Epstein speculation by associating it with the Alex Jones set.

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Post by captainredbeard »

solotronics wrote: post #98
krn wrote: post #40

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> The fact that even after his life there aren't gobs of collaborators being arrested also leads me to think that he wasn't even in charge of the whole thing. There are enough reasons to believe that Jeffrey Epstein might have operated a honeypot for Mossad, and Ghislaine Maxwell was his handler: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21410931 That would explain why Jeffrey Epstein’s injuries look more like murder than…

It's easy to say "this is bad" but put yourself in the position of the Israeli leadership. They are a tiny country surrounded by enemies and a people who have experienced horrible atrocities in the recent past. Even though it is wrong I accept that the logical actions for them is to set up exteme measures of blackmail and espionage to further the security of their people and homeland. It's literally a survival issue…

Then an over the top, punitive reaction from victim nations is appropriate. Enjoy!

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by tsimionescu »

Udik wrote: post #182
tsimionescu wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I misspoke, I didn't mean to imply that the population of the USA has its interests aligned with Israel. I meant that the US ruling class is very much happy with Israel's actions, because the turmoil in the region often lines their own pockets, and at least attacks a lot of their own enemies.

> and at least attacks a lot of their own enemies. But how much of the enmity is simply due to the US's support of Israel? Am I the most loyal friend of a bully because his victims are my enemies, or his victims hate me because I am his most loyal friend?

In the case of Iran at least, the enmity began after Iran nationalized some BP oil in the gulf, prompting the UK to ask for CIA help in getting rid of the democratic Iranian government at the time, and reinstating the military dictatorship of the Shah. That plan succeeded for a while, but later backfired with the Iranian Revolution which led to the current Israel-hating, fundamentalist Islamic regime [1].

So in thisccase at least, the US - Iran enmity would still be there even if Israel was completely neutral. Of course, a lot of other sources of enmity have accumulated over the years, but this is most likely the 'original' reason.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by rasz »

krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

Sergei Skripal would love to have a word with you about doing things in the open. You could also ask Alexander Litvinenko, if he wasnt dead. Its not being sloppy, its showing others the size of your dong.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

jyrkesh wrote: post #183
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then." No it's not. I can't find any data to this narrative. There were (media) discussions on the government collecting all the data it can in the 70s, and they come up with every census. There have been huge discussions around ECHOLON. There have been huge discussions…

I was shocked. Most of my tech savvy and industry friends were shocked. My parents were shocked. It was BLANKET metadata collection (and probably more). A Google engineer who eventually encrypted traffic between their internal data centers was shocked: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131106/00235225143/pisse... I know people were "absolutely sure" before PRISM leaked, but it was a revelation to many.

As I've said I stand corrected. I just could not imagine people being shocked after PHOENIX [0], COINTELPRO [1] and ECHOLON [2], but even tech savvy people were shocked as you say.

[0] US government knows no limits [1] US government does domestic espionage [2] US governemnt listens in on everything

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