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Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by leto_ii »

koheripbal wrote: post #163
leto_ii wrote: post #114

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I really don't see how this would be a good idea. First of all it suggests that wealth is the be-all and end-all of human progress. It also implies that wealth creation is equivalent wherever it happens - that somehow if a place is more efficient at creating wealth than it should be privileged. Finally, of course, this means that poorer countries that produce less wealth will almost certainly be less efficient by thi…

> it suggests that wealth is the be-all and end-all of human progress You misunderstand. The point is to quantify economic power. ...because economic power is the ONLY way fix global warming.

Well, we already have good measures for economic power, e.g. gdp. How would this extra measure help?

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by s1artibartfast »

dang wrote: post #146
s1artibartfast wrote: post #84

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Why is the content a more appropriate topic than the format? This is a tech forum, not a climate news forum.

Hacker News is not a "tech forum"; please see the first paragraph of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

Hi Dang,

I wasn't suggesting that all topics must focus on tech, but that the majority of Hacker News users come from tech, and may therefore have an interest in the technical presentation of the submission.

My apologies if this was not clear.

I think that if users find technical aspects of an article a more interesting topic of discussion than the content, they should be free to discuss it in this forum.

I do not think that the guidelines should be updated to prohibit "off topic" criticism, as the parent comment suggested.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by MisterTea »

gherkinnn wrote: post #53
smabie wrote: post #19

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It’s not an article, it’s a slideshow with pictures. Who actually wants to consume information like this?

I liked it. Fight me.

The UX is discriminatory against visually impaired people.

The layout genuinely hurts my eyes to read. I have vision problems and the continuous picture changes after every sentence is very uncomfortable to view. The contrast changes rapidly from bright to dark or completely black. Then there are light pictures with white text rendered over them. After the first few "slides" I had to close the article. It was too uncomfortable to read. Perhaps you should think before you run with your ableism.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by criley2 »

dang wrote: post #139
criley2 wrote: post #18

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Well, this is HackerNews, started by a technology company accelerator focused largely on web applications, for which UX is a top line discussion point. The point being, the takes here are pretty on-brand.

No, Hacker News is for stories that are intellectually interesting. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

Stating what it is for does not change the audience who is here, what they are interested in, and ultimately how they found it and why. Not as many climatology folks here as tech folks. Let's not be obtuse.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by MisterTea »

These visually ableist articles need to be stopped. I have vision problems from an eye injury and I can't read the damn thing because the varying contrast between the pictures of every single sentences is very uncomfortable to read. Light-dark-light-black etc. If you turn off js or use a minimalist browser like netsurf you get the same long scrolling page without the pictures which defeats the articles purpose.

Tech and UX folks need to step back and realize that it's not just a silly design but a discriminatory one at that. Not everyone can enjoy literal flashy articles.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by wott »

lordnacho wrote: post #15

Whatever the strange presentation, there's something about it for sure. A friend of mine used to run a skilift in Norway, and he's noticed how the length of the season has changed for the worse. In the end he sold it, didn't seem as good a business as it once was.

About the business side, there is also another factor.

Somehow, during the last 2 or 3 decades, people have been nudged to believe that snow and ski times are February and Christmas/new-year holidays. Only. Easter has disappeared from the picture: now what is sold for Easter is a holiday in the sun, a stay by the sea (and nowadays, it means flying abroad, not trying your luck on your national shores). And that is stupid, because people come for Christmas when in fact there are 50% chances that there is no snow at that time of the year, and leave disappointed because the White Christmas thingie they were sold didn't exist; and they don't come any more around Easter, while there is basically always snow (soft snow, admittedly, but with a sufficient stock accumulated along the whole winter to enjoy). So basically the only time left to make money for a ski resort is February: can't open around Christmas because there is no snow, can't open around Easter because there are no customers.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by lucideer »

dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

> I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad?

> When confronting climate change deniers...

The article doesn't give me the impression that it's aimed at those wishing to support their arguments with climate-change deniers.

I don't want to make assumptions about where in the world you're from, and I do acknowledge that climate-change denial is a serious problem we need to combat, but in Norway and most other developed European countries, climate-change denial isn't really a thing* anymore. Most people in this field have moved on and are just trying to get to grips with impact and timelines (like this article).

* That's not to say climate-change deniers don't exist, just that they're not mainstream and are often either ridiculed or ignored.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by acqq »

sampo wrote: post #64
throwaway5752 wrote: post #2

Is there a text version of this thing? And it would be really nice if someone could do this for, say, Bangladesh, Yemen, or Guatemala where it's becoming life and death.

> Is there a text version of this thing? Reader mode in Firefox (probably also in other browsers) gives just the text of the story, without the images.

Is it only me, but on this page I can never see the videos in Firefox which are supposed to start "immersive" as I scroll down? I always see just pictures? (independently, I can confirm that the Reader mode works).

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by mopsi »

MisterTea wrote: post #175

These visually ableist articles need to be stopped. I have vision problems from an eye injury and I can't read the damn thing because the varying contrast between the pictures of every single sentences is very uncomfortable to read. Light-dark-light-black etc. If you turn off js or use a minimalist browser like netsurf you get the same long scrolling page without the pictures which defeats the articles purpose. Tech…

It's not a "silly design", but a well-established storytelling format known as photo-essay. It's unfortunate that you cannot enjoy it to the fullest, but there is no reason to deny everyone else that experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo-essay

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by eloff »

koheripbal wrote: post #167
eloff wrote: post #129

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> Unilateral changes actually have a net negative impact because other parties simply consume more (CO2 in this case). I fail to see your logic. If many people consume less petroleum maybe the price goes down and others consume more, but I don't see how they're going to consume more than what was the state of things in the first place. Honestly it seems like a shallow rationalization to avoid taking personal responsi…

It's very simple. If Country A reduces CO2 production by closing a few factories, and Country B increases CO2 production to replace that market demand, Country A will have spent economic resources in making that change, and Country B would simply be producing what A+B produced before. It's a net negative for the world.

I see, you're talking not about unilateral personal choices, but unilateral country choices.

It's not that simple, there are many unilateral choices a country can make that would not have a net negative effect. For example if you close a coal power plant in Virginia, China is not simply going to build one and sell the power to the US - there are physical limitations there.

You have a valid point that a country needs to think about unintentional consequences of their decisions, something politicians are notoriously bad at, but claiming that all unilateral action is net negative is such a ludicrous strawman that I don't actually beleive that's your position on the subject.

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