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On Resigning from Google

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Re: On Resigning from Google

#41
He has made enough money to retire. For engineers still looking for work, GOOGLE is the best place to work. If you don't want to work at google, don't work there. Why do people keep blaming the company. This is not a dictatorship.

Re: On Resigning from Google

#42
I currently work at Google, but I am a newbie, i.e less than 5 years at Google.

I frequently run in to people who are: 1) always been at Google and enjoyed the fruits of its rise or at another similar environment 2) never had to deal with frugality or lack of funding for anything 3) see themselves are superior to everyone else - in terms of how enlightened they are, how they know whats best for everyone 4) feel that they have an absolute say in anything Google does

These people do not know the realities of the world. Plain and simple. They had a good life and think that is it.

One thing they dont seem to realize is that almost everyone else has had to deal with growth challenges, lack of capital and access to resources. No one exists to only make the world better. Contrary to their disbelief, most people and organizations, including themselves and Google, have the first priority to survive, to grow, to flourish and to abide by all applicable laws. Once this is satisfied, they move on to grander things like charity, investing in the well being of others etc.

The very reason these people have the capability to leave their jobs for whatever reason is that they already took care of the first priority - to survive and thrive, courtesy Google.

Google is a business, and as a business it has the fiduciary duty to serve itself and its interests first.

If these people have any conscience that they claim to have, they need to stop pointing at Google, stop riding in their luxury SUVs, stop eating in insanely expensive restaurants, stop vacationing in luxury resorts, stop purchasing multi million dollar homes, and first go try to serve in the government to change the laws and society in which we all live and abide by.

Stop trying to tell a large corporation to stop doing business and make profits, go change the society in which it operates. Then we will talk.

Enough of the BS.

You dont like working here, move on. Let us have the opportunity to contribute and grow and be successful.

Re: On Resigning from Google

#43
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say SJW-ish in this context, do you mean you disagree with their assessment (i.e. helping oil companies do their job cheaper is bad, improving the technology underpinning combat drones is bad when the country that uses them demonstrates irresponsible use of them, supporting with labor a company that fires labor organizers is bad)?

I think this comment feels like trying blatantly to pin OP into a bad position, honestly this is quite disingenuous.

The op put themselves there, when you call something "SJWish" without actually talking about the positions, then you're being disingenuous yourself.

Re: On Resigning from Google

#44
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> www.alphabetworkers.org/ > The trouble with deep belief > The reason it’s unlikely to work is that although you can persecute the prophets Sounds a bit full of themselves. They worked for a company, they no longer like the company, they quit. Great, move on. No need to make a big deal about it. It's just a job.

A lot of people on hacker news get threatened by collective action. This is understandable, given the number of employers, wannabe employers and people with large portfolios who frequent this site.

This is kind of why I expected some people to make a big deal out of how this isn't a big deal. Tech unionisation is genuinely threatening to many here and this Google walkout stuff is a potential sign of things to come in this industry.

Re: On Resigning from Google

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Random thoughts: 1. I applaud the fact that they are actually quitting the company to voice their disapproval of these policies. In my mind all the "internal activism" happening at Google and others is massively hypocritical. One cannot publicly criticize a company while enjoying cushy paychecks fueled by those very activities they despise. 2. If they think Google is discriminatory towards LGBT employees and minoriti…

Strongly disagree. > In my mind all the "internal activism" happening at Google and others is massively hypocritical. One cannot publicly criticize a company while enjoying cushy paychecks fueled by those very activities they despise. Absolutely incorrect. Paychecks have nothing to do with whether you as a person find the company's policies palatable or not. Google employees provide a lot more value to Google than th…

> Google employees provide a lot more value to Google than they are compensated for.

how? can you justify what makes these people (you) so special? IN all honesty, they are probably overvalued in every sense.

>Absolutely incorrect. Paychecks have nothing to do with whether you as a person find the company's policies palatable or not

You are right because they already made their money and can afford to quit over whatever. Of course it has to do with money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves. If money did not matter, they would have not worked at Google, there are other ways to make the world a better place than add snow effect on photos.

Re: On Resigning from Google

#47
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bruce makes the excellent point that it's not just a company. It's a Fortune 50 with a reach to touch a couple billion users, the technical competency and contacts to make decisions that impact the future of humanity, and is undergoing a significant cultural shift from the kind of company it is perceived to be by past reputation. If one finds oneself in such a circumstance, it's a correct thing to do to speak out abo…

> Impact the future of humanity If Google disappeared off the face of the earth, every system, server, and employee, mitigations would be in place by the end of the week - and a year later it would be like nothing ever changed. Let's not overvalue an adserver, free email, etc. These services are important but never life defining outside of the relatively small number of people they have made RICH.

I'm speaking more about the work moving forward. Search has fundamentally changed the way the world operates. How does China's government process look if backed by the talent of Google engineers for finding information?

Re: On Resigning from Google

#48

> Attacks like this were an attack on people’s jobs and physical security: if you can strip a reform-oriented pastor of their PCUSA ordination, you also strip them of their employment and their health insurance If I'm understanding correctly, the argument with regard to "physical security" is that if you try to get someone fired, which would result in them losing their employer-provided health insurance, that they wo…

The irony, of course, is that it's a defining feature of some political cohorts to rejoice in getting people fired for things they've said online. I think it's clearly the case that an attempt on one's livelihood is a far more credible violation of "safety" than is, say, public speech on a topic with which you strongly disagree, but it's the latter that's described as such, while the former is often celebrated.

Re: On Resigning from Google

#49
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bruce makes the excellent point that it's not just a company. It's a Fortune 50 with a reach to touch a couple billion users, the technical competency and contacts to make decisions that impact the future of humanity, and is undergoing a significant cultural shift from the kind of company it is perceived to be by past reputation. If one finds oneself in such a circumstance, it's a correct thing to do to speak out abo…

All the more reason to be glad when said company tilts away from the sort of fringe ideological positions described in TFA. A fortune 50 company shouldn’t be driving extreme positions; if you disagree, consider if they were driving extreme positions antithetical to your own.

Is "Don't fire labor agitators" an extreme position? I'm pretty sure it's actually the law.

One could, perhaps, consider "Don't stumble blindly into improving the technology used for automated weapons" an extreme position in the US, but given that it's the country that brought us the atomic bomb, perhaps it is the correct extreme position to take.

Re: On Resigning from Google

#50
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My thoughts exactly, this kind of thinking is really common among google employees. They think leaving is some “event”, it needs massive justification, a blog post, and manifesto to the world. I’ve seen this among friends that work there

There's a consistent narrative that people join Google to make the world a better place, and that Googlers keep the working culture bright and not evil. These exposes are about challenging that pre-built image.

To be fair Google did downgrade their "do not evil" value to "it is possible to conduct business without being evil" but it's fair to be reminded of all the evil they do do that led them to downgrade themselves in their own estimation.
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