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Re: Simple, solar-powered water desalination

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> the team’s demonstration device can achieve an overall efficiency of 385 percent in converting the energy of sunlight into the energy of water evaporation. I need an explanation with pictures for that, because it seems like the author is using ‘efficiency’ incorrectly.

My guess is 385% better than the sun just shining on the water and and evaporating it out in the open

That makes more sense. Maybe 'magnification effect' is better to describe what sounds like possibly a solar-panel-greenhouse system?

Re: Simple, solar-powered water desalination

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> the team’s demonstration device can achieve an overall efficiency of 385 percent in converting the energy of sunlight into the energy of water evaporation. I need an explanation with pictures for that, because it seems like the author is using ‘efficiency’ incorrectly.

Examples like this are why I like HN as a community of "engineer and similar minded people". We pick up details like this and call them out.

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> the team’s demonstration device can achieve an overall efficiency of 385 percent in converting the energy of sunlight into the energy of water evaporation. I need an explanation with pictures for that, because it seems like the author is using ‘efficiency’ incorrectly.

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Re: Simple, solar-powered water desalination

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> the team’s demonstration device can achieve an overall efficiency of 385 percent in converting the energy of sunlight into the energy of water evaporation. I need an explanation with pictures for that, because it seems like the author is using ‘efficiency’ incorrectly.

Defined in the paper as

> the solar-to-vapor conversion efficiency, defined as the ratio of total vaporization enthalpy to total solar energy input,

So ya, they are just comparing to a really low baseline...

Re: Simple, solar-powered water desalination

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post #7

A big question is what do they do with the salt?

From the article:

>> Unlike some desalination systems, there is no accumulation of salt or concentrated brines to be disposed of. In a free-floating configuration, any salt that accumulates during the day would simply be carried back out at night through the wicking material and back into the seawater, according to the researchers.

Re: Simple, solar-powered water desalination

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> the team’s demonstration device can achieve an overall efficiency of 385 percent in converting the energy of sunlight into the energy of water evaporation. I need an explanation with pictures for that, because it seems like the author is using ‘efficiency’ incorrectly.

It takes 1 watt-hour to produce about 3.5 BTUs.

With a heat pump, for instance, you might be able to produce 5BTUs per watt-hour, because you're extracting heat from the environment (a very large heat source), which would be 140% efficient.

The paragraph you excerpted has your answer:

> The key to the system’s efficiency lies in the way it uses each of the multiple stages to desalinate the water. At each stage, heat released by the previous stage is harnessed instead of wasted. In this way, the team’s demonstration device can achieve an overall efficiency of 385 percent in converting the energy of sunlight into the energy of water evaporation.

You can't drink steam (and even bottling it is futile), so that heat has to go somewhere.

With counterflow systems, like ventilation systems for houses, the inlet and outlet temperatures are pretty close to each other, and the temperature on the 'inside' of the system is either much higher or much lower.

When distillation came up a month or so ago, several people pointed out that modern systems do not operate at ambient air pressure, so the temperature delta may be less than you'd imagine.

[edit: pedants gonna pedant]

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