So did they at least fix the keyboard?
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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#212Cook is a complete businessman, best at cutting costs, increasing profits and attracting customers to buy more. Don't forget that memory began to weld on the motherboard because this can only be replaced and not upgraded. He was a businessman, not an engineer or a designer, and that was the beginning of apple's decline.
This cliched argument is quite ironic and insane. A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time. Just last week there was a news about Apple selling more Watches than the entire Swiss industry and no one would talk about Cook there but when things go wrong, we forget that it's someone in QA or Product but all the blame goes to how Cook isn't a Product guy.
No Apple watch is expected to last longer than five years, particularly with software updates.
Additionally, the Swiss watch industry is not being subsidized by the US health insurance industry.
Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#213Just to add my two cents, I drive a 4K monitor in a quiet room and don’t notice any significant difference in operation compared to my previous 2016 model.
Perhaps this is a driver bug that hits some configurations or situations?
The thermal design of the 16-inch seems adequate especially when compared to outgoing 15-inch models, so I think it’s something they can fix in software.
Something to note: all recent discrete GPU MacBooks will switch to discrete graphics as soon as you plug in any external monitor. Higher power consumption and heat should be expected to a reasonable extent (everyone’s definition of reasonable is different).
Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
That seems unrelated; I think Mac OS is the only place where non native resolutions use GPU-accelerated scaling. The other operating systems just set whatever resolution you asked for and let the monitor handle it. This seems to be excessive GPU use when simply connecting an external monitor at its native res.
I use my 2015 MBP with an external 4K monitor every day and it works like a charm. No delay, no fans going off, etc.
Does it have two GPUs it switches between? One high perf and one integrated?
When I had a MBP 2015 I rarely had the fan come because it only had and and used an integrated GPU.
With a 2018 MBP the fan frequently kicks on because it switches to the Radeon high perf GPU when doing things like connecting to an external monitor.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh come now, you surely understand that you cannot just drop in a Windows or Linux PC as a replacement for a Mac, just like you couldn't do the opposite. Organizations have management tools, single sign on, and software that may only run on one OS. Suggesting a ThinkPad or Dell as a replacement is naive. If an organization wants to change the computers it gives it's employees so dramatically, it will take some transi…
I switched from Mac to Windows 10 and it was painless.
Again, we're talking about a company with likely dozens of Macs, at least, and the IT dept that has to support that change.
How on earth does your personal experience compare to any of that? You don't even cite what made it easy.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How can we move forward using Apple? And why should they? What's wrong with trying out something like Thinkpad X series[1] instead? Or Thinkpad P series, which can now come with Ubuntu LTS pre-installed. I wonder, if they would have invested so much time in fixing Dell's issues for Dell. Probably not. Why? Because there is no Dell's lock-in. [1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/c/t...
Oh come now, you surely understand that you cannot just drop in a Windows or Linux PC as a replacement for a Mac, just like you couldn't do the opposite. Organizations have management tools, single sign on, and software that may only run on one OS. Suggesting a ThinkPad or Dell as a replacement is naive. If an organization wants to change the computers it gives it's employees so dramatically, it will take some transi…
There are benefits to locking yourself into a vertically integrated ecosystem run like an authoritarian state, but also risks. This illustrates the risks.
Diversification is good long-term even if it produces slightly worse results in the short term.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
This argument gets more and more ridiculous as time progresses. Apple is worth nearly ten times what it was eight years ago. It’s launched a watch which has, in a few short years, overtaken the entire Swiss watch industry in revenue. This is just another take on the tired argument that Apple is only successful because of a core group of fanboys/girls who will buy anything just because it’s Apple, despite Apple’s cust…
I set some fairly short term and trivially verifiable predictions. Save this comment and come back to it at the end of this year. Unless Apple's AR play succeeds, they're going to be left in the dust by Chinese offerings with better functionality at half the price. Cook has had the better part of the decade to come up with something new, and has failed to deliver anything except incremental minor updates which are in…
Are you just going to pretend the AirPods and Apple Watch don’t exist? By themselves they’d be a Fortune 500 company.
“Minor updates”. You have to be joking.
Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#218There isn't anything wrong here. One of the confusing issues is that people say, "I'm only using 15% of my CPU, the fans should not be coming on." What they don't realize, is that using 1 core running at turbo speeds is only going to show up as 15% of the CPU, but draw enough power and create enough heat to trigger the fans! Another thing that some of these posters are not aware of, is that running these temperature/…
I agree with what you are saying up until you say nothing is wrong with the fan coming on at a 15% cpu load. regardless of what is really happening to take that 15% load, if the fan comes on that strong, it is not a proper thermal design. As a contrast, I have an 8 core iMac Pro. It can run full throttle and I rarely if ever hear the fan and it is much quieter than my 2018 6 core macbook pro. Of course a 27" home cha…
15% load can mean a single i9 core boosting to 4.8-5ghz. The OP is correct. When I use a single threaded program that is keeping a core pinned at 100% why would it be unreasonable for the fan to be on?
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if anybody wants to dish out something on an order of $1.5m to do a contract manufacturing run for a properly designed full sized laptop, give me a note. Something tells me that Apple spent more than $1.5M designing the recent MacBook Pro. It is a bit presumptuous to say "well i could do it better" when referencing an entire team of qualified electrical engineers at one of the largest corporations in the world that…
So, explain the keyboard fiasco?
16" keyboard is great?
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My 2019 15" mbpro makes quite a bit of noise on login screen with nothing connected to it. It's not a made up issue. USB 2.0 devices disconnect randomly which is a no-go for musicians. Touch bar freezes. The list goes on. I'd abandon it a long time ago but music software is macs first. Plus Logic is decent. It's so sad that they don't give a damn because market takes a while to adjust.
That touchbar freezing issue is a pet peeve of mine. It's been happening for years now. I've personally witnessed over it perhaps 10 times over multiple hardware/OS revisions. Perhaps it's time for Apple to admit defeat and just build a watchdog service that runs every 30 seconds and if things aren't working: kill and restart whatever process and/or driver that runs the touch bar.
The reason nobody really notices the touchbar issue is because almost nobody uses the Touch Bar!