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When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by scruple »

freepor wrote: post #21
vearwhershuh wrote: post #4

The issue here isn't that this guy can see and control the the vehicle without the next owner knowing. It's that the entire corporate world and government can see and control the vehicle without the next owner knowing. This is increasingly true across the board, regardless of trim level. I was excited about Rivian as a family friendly electric vehicle. Then they decided to add Alexa (due to an investment by Amazon) a…

Certainly your 1980s SUV is certainly the thing most likely to be the location of your death, unless you’re older than ~70.

My Uncle drove an 80s Bronco until he died. "They see me coming, they get the fuck out of my way." He wasn't wrong.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

h2odragon wrote: post #22

I'm thankful our 2004 & 2002 cars are as free of "smart" as they are. They're aging out on us and we've been looking at replacements; the used market is contaminated with screens and systems that we DO NOT WANT. I wonder how difficult it will be to strip all that shit out when the time comes. What's going to have to be stubbed out or emulated to make the car run and how difficult will that be? Are we looking at thing…

FWIW we just bought a 2012 model European car, and it's nicely free of all this infotainment systems crap.

I believe Dacia will still sell you a car like this in 2020. Maybe there is a US equivalent, but I don't know.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

grecy wrote: post #89
speedgoose wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you start a ICE vehicle remotely? I thought it was mostly a EV thing, some people have aftermarket kits.

A huge percentage of people that live in the cold parts of Canada have "remote start" on their key fob. Press a button and that ICE fires right up to warm up your cabin, defrost the windows and get the engine warm enough. They usually have some kind of hardware interlock to make sure the transmission is in park and the hand brake is on.

FWIW remote start is not allowed in Europe, so in the northern areas cars come with separate units that generate hot air from a heat exchanger connected to a small chamber with a flame burning the fuel.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by Piskvorrr »

LinuxBender wrote: post #19
nkrisc wrote: post #16

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On many (all?) modern cars it's also visible at the bottom of driver's side of the windshield. A car's VIN is public information.

I have a small piece of black paper over mine. I am happy to let a law enforcement officer view it if they ask.

Also in the various databases? How does that work?

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by ta999999171 »

scarejunba wrote: post #76
ta999999171 wrote: post #66

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You must not be a journalist. Also, the best way to reduce risk for you would be to let someone else drive. It takes a LOT to roll a street car these days, holy hell.

> Also, the best way to reduce risk for you would be to let someone else drive. Hahaha, solid bants. I enjoyed that. But given that the Lyft pass is no longer available, looks like I've got to risk my life. And of course I'm not a journalist, I do mostly productive work.

Journalists (the few real ones who remain) who enable whistleblowers and get killed for doing so aren't doing productive work?

Since you're a fan of the banter - fuck you!

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by JohnFen »

scarejunba wrote: post #78
JohnFen wrote: post #69

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> The privacy risk is low with the new one Why do you say that? The new cars are constantly sending telemetry to the mothership.

Sorry, using the "risk = probability times damage" meaning here. It doesn't matter so much how much telemetry is sent until that leads to: a) compromising my privacy b) that breach leading to damage to me. I like to threat model things like this, rather than going on a binary scale of threatened/not-threatened and I think there is no threat model that leads to me needing to worry. Of course, if you have concrete info…

I understand. I was just curious because telemetry is an automatic privacy intrusion. The only question is whether or not it exceeds your comfort level. In your case, it does not. That's fair.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by frenchyatwork »

grecy wrote: post #89
speedgoose wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you start a ICE vehicle remotely? I thought it was mostly a EV thing, some people have aftermarket kits.

A huge percentage of people that live in the cold parts of Canada have "remote start" on their key fob. Press a button and that ICE fires right up to warm up your cabin, defrost the windows and get the engine warm enough. They usually have some kind of hardware interlock to make sure the transmission is in park and the hand brake is on.

People in the warm parts of Canada do this too, now-a-days. Its kind of weird to be be riding along the road at 5 C and see all these empty cars idling on the side of the road.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by justincredible »

reaperducer wrote: post #57
cydonian_monk wrote: post #36

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Do we work together? (I'm assuming not.) Some guy where I work does the same thing, same truck. Usually he's still thousands of feet away when he starts it too, maybe even still in the office. Or maybe it's just a Houston thing.

I'm not in Texas. I think it's an "I bought a giant truck to carry around six dead leaves in the back when I go shopping at Target" kind of thing.

Also known as SPS.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by mosdave »

cydonian_monk wrote: post #36
reaperducer wrote: post #28

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Can you start a ICE vehicle remotely? With a keyfob for decades, and with an app for years. It's virtually standard equipment in certain states, along with plug-in engine block heaters. I thought it was mostly a EV thing A guy at work likes to start his massive Ford Raptor with his phone at the end of the day and set off the alarms of the cars he's parked between.

Do we work together? (I'm assuming not.) Some guy where I work does the same thing, same truck. Usually he's still thousands of feet away when he starts it too, maybe even still in the office. Or maybe it's just a Houston thing.

> Or maybe it's just a Houston thing.

I'd call it a Ford Raptor thing.

Re: When Your Used Car Is a Little Too ‘Mobile’

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Post by yellowapple »

pandaman wrote: post #90
yellowapple wrote: post #88

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Parking tickets usually go off the license plate, last I checked. In fact, so do normal tickets, last I checked. My first job was punching in traffic ticket info for the CHP, and I don't recall ever seeing a VIN; just the LP and DL. This is in the US, though. Other places might have different information tracked on citations.

LA parking tickets have VIN. You obviously cannot have DL on a parking ticket. Here is an example image: https://pci.etimspayments.com/pbw/include/la_sheriff/images/...

> LA parking tickets have VIN.

Noted.

> You obviously cannot have DL on a parking ticket.

Well yeah, obviously. I was talking about tickets in a broader sense, going by forms CHP 215 ("Notice to Appear", i.e. normal traffic tickets) and CHP 281 ("Notice to Correct Violation", i.e. "fix-it" tickets).

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