So did they at least fix the keyboard?
MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#162This appears to be a software bug in macOS or AMD's drivers. Plugging in an external monitor at certain resolutions (1440p@60Hz in my case) will cause the AMD GPU to draw 18-20W constantly, no matter what it's doing. This causes the total system draw to increase from ~10W to ~30W. All that heat has to go somewhere. If I change the resolution of my external monitor to 1080p the AMD GPU drops to ~4W and the fans are qu…
So I first thought that using gfxCardStatus to force the use of integrated graphics could help. However: > gfxCardStatus v2.3 and above actively prevents you from switching to Integrated Only mode when any apps are in the Dependencies list ( or if you have an external display plugged in ). This is because if you were to do this, your discrete GPU would actually stay powered on, even though you've switched to the inte…
Because of the way the ThunderBolt ports are wired, you cannot use external graphics without activating the discrete GPU. It's been like this in MacBook Pros for a long time.
Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#163I waited multiple years to upgrade from a MacBook Pro 2014, but was disappointed year after year, because I read about heating issues, the bad butterfly keyboard or the useless touch-bar. In 2019 I felt like things are not going to get any better, so I bought a MacBook Pro 2019. Was quite unhappy that I didn’t wait a bit longer after I saw the 16inch version coming out a few months later, because it had an escape key…
I feel your pain. This may help: https://www.haptictouchbar.com/
Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#164I was planning to buy MacBook 16-inch as I am still on 2014 edition which in my view were one of the best MacBooks. I simply hate that unnecessary Touch Bar, was hoping Apple will remove it but didn’t. Thought then of getting 16-inch as they have an esc key. Waiting for this kind of review, I will put on hold purchasing it until get a clarity on fan noise. My current old MacBook fan do make some noise but only under…
I have a 16 inch, the keyboard is amazing, the display is beautiful, and I have had no thermal problems running multiple VMs, and heavy web development workflows.
Not sure what people are going crazy about regarding the keyboard, it is one of the most amazing ones on a laptop I have used.
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#165What's disturbing is that Apple seem to be deleting posts: After attempting to be part of the solution; spending a ton of time testing, providing information in the community, communicating with Apple Engineers and Apple Business Team, our most recent post was deleted as "Speculative". We have spent over $300,000 on Apple hardware over the years both business and consumer and now our voice has been muted. How can we…
They did the same with the 2011 MBP fiasco. Ministry of truth at work.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I second this. For $2000 I built an absolute monster of a desktop PC. Super fast, never an issue and I use it for everything. I only use my MacBook when I wanna sit on the couch and that's it. Thankfully I got my laptop through work almost for free because it wouldn't have been worth the money.
But how about a comparable laptop?
Yeah, no shit it’s cheaper to put a ton of high TDP components into a massive chassis with nearly limitless cooling.
Powerful, portable, cheap. Pick two.
Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)
#167Again why isn't there a single good premium Linux laptop in the market yet?
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps I wasn't specific - "Product Visionary" I meant!
In the context of what we're discussing here, everything Apple does is product (including services), and needs a product visionary. They've degenerated to minmaxing profits and running focus groups to tell them what to do without any overarching vision or long term plan, just like GP commenter said. It's sad. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave.
But he's making very little noise while doing so.
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Oh come now, you surely understand that you cannot just drop in a Windows or Linux PC as a replacement for a Mac, just like you couldn't do the opposite. Organizations have management tools, single sign on, and software that may only run on one OS. Suggesting a ThinkPad or Dell as a replacement is naive. If an organization wants to change the computers it gives it's employees so dramatically, it will take some transi…
I switched from Mac to Windows 10 and it was painless.
I'm curious about how long you were using Mac and how much of the ecosystem you were taking advantage of. Specifically were you using Apple messaging, photos, and / or email?
Also, did you take advantage of handoff or airdrop?
I imagine if you were strictly using cloud services, it was a relatively painless transition.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not true for Lenovo Thinkpads, which is a separate business division from Lenovo consumer hardware, as far as I am aware. And subsidizing consumer hardware with spyware has, unfortunately, become a standard industry practice. Most smartphone and Smart TV manufacturers are shipping their consumer devices full of bloatware that is extremely hard to get rid of.
I don't get the second part of your reply. So what? Take it lying down?
For non-Apple consumers I see only two options now: to avoid consumer-level hardware (unless it runs something like Android One), or to replace the OS with an open-source alternative (Ubuntu and Fedora work pretty much out of the box on most PCs). In case of Smart TVs, one either has to buy a Commercial TV[1], or run something like Kodi[2].
[1] https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-tvs
[2] https://kodi.tv/