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Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

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Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#11
This makes it sound like the GPL and similar licenses are the one true free software licenses out there.

As others here pointed it still seems to be OK with BSD, MIT and other OSI licenses.

In my opinion allowing something with a GPL license would just cause complications for them and the people who build the app.

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#12
They aren't prohibiting "Free Software", they are prohibiting software that is under a license that requires the distributor to pass certain rights along to the recipient.

Hence GPL like licenses that require distribution of source code, and that you grant redistribution rights to everyone you distribute it to are being explicitly prohibited. (And in fairness I can see why those licenses would cause problems for Microsoft as distributors)

On the other hand BSD like licenses that allow you to repackage and distribute without source and without passing rights forward are acceptable.

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#14
post #5

It's a pragmatic choice by Microsoft, but I'm amazed by their ability to piss off developers almost every time they make a decision.

I'm amazed by their ability to piss off developers almost every time they make a decision.

Yes, but you can't even publish an API without pissing off a developer somewhere. Folks like Guido Van Rossum even say things to the effect: if someone somewhere isn't pissed off, you're probably not doing it right.

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#15

They aren't prohibiting "Free Software", they are prohibiting software that is under a license that requires the distributor to pass certain rights along to the recipient. Hence GPL like licenses that require distribution of source code, and that you grant redistribution rights to everyone you distribute it to are being explicitly prohibited. (And in fairness I can see why those licenses would cause problems for Micr…

Exactly. Also GPL style licenses are a virus that while they promote freedom, in reality they take it away. It assumes that people are naturally untrustworthy and thus forces them to act in a way the creators of GPL see as the right way. Because of how the GPL licenses are worded, especially insane versions like the AGPL, everything they touch may be affected negatively. MIT and BSD style licenses on the other hand assume the best in people, and gives them the real freedom to do with code whatever they want.

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#16

They aren't prohibiting "Free Software", they are prohibiting software that is under a license that requires the distributor to pass certain rights along to the recipient. Hence GPL like licenses that require distribution of source code, and that you grant redistribution rights to everyone you distribute it to are being explicitly prohibited. (And in fairness I can see why those licenses would cause problems for Micr…

Exactly. Also GPL style licenses are a virus that while they promote freedom, in reality they take it away. It assumes that people are naturally untrustworthy and thus forces them to act in a way the creators of GPL see as the right way. Because of how the GPL licenses are worded, especially insane versions like the AGPL, everything they touch may be affected negatively. MIT and BSD style licenses on the other hand a…

You're probably just trolling, but it needs to be said every time: The freedom that the GPL takes away is the freedom to bring down the system. It keeps people in check and prevents corruption. If you enjoy the freedoms of MIT and BSD style licenses - why do you complain about the GPL? It seems that it only takes "freedoms" away that you don't appear to be interested in anyways?

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#17
Good riddance. I am tired of GPL software. It claims freedom but restricts the right of developers to choose license terms for their own software. Further, it sucks in code licensed under permissive terms but prevents open source projects under the BSD license from doing likewise with GPL code.

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#19
post #13

This is amusing in the light of Microsoft's attempts in recent years to cosy up to open source and pretend that they're embracing it via Codeplex, Mono, MPL, etc. I think this shows what their true values are.

I think the Microsoft hydra is too large to have any single set of core values anymore. Every project is pulling in a different direction.

Re: Microsoft: No GPLv3 Software for Windows Phone and Xbox Apps.

#20
post #5

It's a pragmatic choice by Microsoft, but I'm amazed by their ability to piss off developers almost every time they make a decision.

Wouldn't this be more accurately described as the choice of the Free Software Foundation, rather than Microsoft? The major feature of GPL3 was to prevent use in these type of "tivoized" applications.

Seems that Microsoft is taking heat for respecting the wishes of the GPL. Talk about a can't win situation.

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