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No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Non paid take home projects... Huge red flag.

Honestly the non paid take home projects are much better. The three interviews I’ve done them for stand out as the best interview processes I’ve been a part of. They actually check for real software skills. The time you spend on-site grinding leetcode with some Google engineer is non-paid as well, so let’s not pretend it’s really any different.

Absolutely. The one job that offered me a take home project was the best interview I've ever had, and the best working environment I've ever experienced.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Bingo. After the interview is done and the answer is a solid NO, as a company we have NO BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP with you. Any iota of effort we put towards you is essentially wasted effort, even if very minor. What changes that discussion further is that there is a small, but still quite real, possibility of lawsuit, social media rant (as another comment mentioned), or even a disgruntled applicant shooting up the plac…

In a vacuum that might be true, but software engineers know other software engineers, and there are plenty of forums for discussing hiring experiences, including HN. If a company systematically treats people they don't intend to go further with like crap, their reputation with other candidates will suffer. You'd like failed candidates to not talk shit about your company when their friend considers applying.

Except, that's the norm. Word isn't going to spread that a company is normal.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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One time we gave feedback on request and the candidate contested the feedback, then went out on a social media rampage. So yeah, we stopped after that. It only takes one bad candidate to make it not worth the effort.

Hot take: you could hire someone who did absolutely well in the interview, and they could find a few weeks into the job that they loathe everyone, and go on a social media rampage. What I’m getting at is, there will always be bad apples, or people who react in a way that damages your organization. But not providing useful feedback to people who ask for it simply because one person went crazy is punishing a lot more p…

Social media rampage after an interview is a bad look for anyone. Tell your friends about it sure if they're thinking about going in but no reason to burn a bridge.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Please stop referring to software developers as engineers, unless they are fully registered members of the state association of engineers.

Why? Is there a definition of engineering that does exclude software development, or is membership required to become one?

Some places have legal requirements to use engineer as a title, with occasionally amusing consequences: https://www.techspot.com/news/78096-oregon-engineer-wins-fre...

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Please stop referring to software developers as engineers, unless they are fully registered members of the state association of engineers.

Why? Is there a definition of engineering that does exclude software development, or is membership required to become one?

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Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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About ~10 years ago, before the Facebook IPO, Facebook was famous for recruiting alumni from other AANG companies, who re-did their old projects at Facebook. For a few years, everyone from industry who interviewed at Facebook got a vibe of "wow, this is like my old company but you fixed the crap that annoyed me!"

One of those things they fixed was that they gave feedback on interviews.

The tale of the tape says that this strategy worked very well for Facebook hiring and business growth.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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My wife used to work with students to help them get through interviews, and one of her pieces of advice when interviewing is to ask near the end of the interview is if they have any concerns about them as a candidate. It gives the interviewer a chance to address the concerns and gives them a chance to get feedback to make future changes. I’m not sure how well this would work for a technical interview loop, since my w…

I witnessed a candidate ask a question along these lines in a group interview and I found it extremely awkward, because there was huge potential for disagreement amongst the interviewers, and also because this group consisted of people who had a stake in the hire as future coworkers for the role, but were not members of the search committee making the final hire decision, we were just providing feedback to the search…

> group interview

Off. That's not a good look.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Non paid take home projects... Huge red flag.

I disagree that it's an automatic red flag. 8 hours? Yeah that's too long. But I would rather do a 2 hour take-home project than a 2 hour whiteboard coding interview. Edit to add: as far as getting paid, nobody expects to get paid for an onsite interview so I wouldn't expect to get paid for a take home project either. As long as it takes the same amount of time that the coding portion of an onsite interview reasonabl…

Yeah, it should either be ~2 hours, or they should pay you for it. I don't think an 8 hour project is bad if they suitably compensate you for it.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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Employee hours. Someone has to collect, document, sanitize, and explain the feedback. Then respond to the response to the feedback. In the time it takes our recruiter to provide feedback to a candidate, they could have sourced 20 more candidates. edit: I'll argue instant feedback is even more expensive and risky. It's not coordinated, potentially duplicative, may impact/contaminate later rounds, and may not be comple…

> Someone has to collect, document, sanitize, and explain the feedback. Either something like this is being up collected and articulated up through the decision points in the hiring process, or the decisions are being made on a fuzzy basis that can't even be explained internally, which presumably represents a risk that decisions couldn't be properly justified should a candidate suspect discrimination and pursue a cla…

Considering most of the interview is evaluation of soft skills and unique backgrounds there's almost certainly fuzzy basis.

Re: No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-interview feedback

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I'm so disappointed to read comments on this thread to the effect of "There's nothing in it for the company but risk". I once put in about 8 hours on a take home project at a company (well known in these parts) that I had tremendous respect for, only to get an email back with "sorry, not up to par. We need someone with more experience". I asked them for a couple quick points on what I could have done better. I had ze…

I had a guy at Qualcomm Austin tell me to read Advanced Compiler Design and Implementation by Muchnik. I read it and a few months later I was working for Qualcomm San Diego. I've thought about thanking him but I doubt he'd remember me, it was such a small comment.

He doesn’t have to remember your name because your name is besides the point - it’s about him and what he did (for you) and not about you (the beneficiary). What you’re telling him is that something he did/does is good and helpful; one day when he asks himself “should I bother giving (such detailed) feedback?” he’ll have your anecdotal datapoint in mind to help him make his decision!
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