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I'm so disappointed to read comments on this thread to the effect of "There's nothing in it for the company but risk". I once put in about 8 hours on a take home project at a company (well known in these parts) that I had tremendous respect for, only to get an email back with "sorry, not up to par. We need someone with more experience". I asked them for a couple quick points on what I could have done better. I had ze…
Are we cool on naming and shaming or should I save that for reddit?
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A company has to hire someone. So they're forced to take the risk. They don't have to provide feedback, so they don't have to take the risk if they don't want to. Don't really think your comparison was fair.
But hopefully they interview more people than they hire.
Additionally, in a medium to large org, it's impossible to evaluate the efficacy of interviewers if there are no notes. If the recruiting team can't look at the output of an interview and say "Huh, X keeps rejecting candidates because they use tabs instead of spaces in their Python code," how is the company supposed to maintain any hiring bar?
The effort to write comments in a way that can be shared externally should not be a huge amount of extra effort. Even if feedback is only shared on request, it should not take a monumental effort to distill some high-level bullet points from interview notes.
One hour coding test. Two one hour phone interviews. 5 hour interview with EA Tiburon. Generic rejection two weeks later. Never again. Are we cool on naming and shaming or should I save that for reddit?
There's no real affordance for engineers to sue or censure the process. I once did some interviewing with a broken wrist that dragged on me two ways: 1) I basically couldn't speed-code at all. Typing was inhibited for sure, but the friction point threw off my whole thought process. 2) Whiteboard coding was easier, but due to swelling, I usually had to have my arm atop my head or hold it in weird positions. So by law…
The industry is shifting AFAICT. Callousness seems to be in and empathy seems to be out. Unfortunately though I think the same thing happened to pretty much every industry that came before software as well.
Hope you found something good so that you don't have to waste time with shitty people anymore.
On the topic of form letter rejections: I WISH I even got those... durring my last job hunt most of the time the company just goes dark and stops contacting me or doesn't respond. I say this and other recruiers tell me they're shocked and yet getting ghosted seemed to be the rule rather than exception durring that time. Maybe I'm such a bad canidae that they don't even want to bother with a form letter. Strangely one…
I got 2 responses. Both were impressed by my resume so I don't believe that's the issue.
Its really hard not to take it personal when it's such a common experience. If someone sends you an email, you reply. It's basic decency.
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They've only disrupted their day to talk to you, in many cases having done these increasingly-prevalent and always-bullshit 4+-hour "exercises", and they have way less time to be allocating than you do. That's all they've done. Their time isn't deserving of respect and it's just downright ridiculous to think that it's the decent thing to do to tell them something that might, just might, not make it a waste for them t…
Interviewing is a business transaction, not social services. They'll min-max their time just like you'll mix-max your compensation. I'll happily give advice, feedback, mock interviews, and other sorts of help on my own time in more appropriate environments. When it's company time, it's just business.
The answer is that they'll leave negative reviews, tell people to avoid your company or decimate any goodwill your company might have. I have in the past left scathing reviews on Glassdoor and was on some occasions the first one to drop my experience. Because after long projects or a company promising to get back in touch, they decided to instead ghost me or make me do ridiculous tricks for the application process.
If you view something as a business transaction, then you should know one of the worst things you can do in business is spurn the person you're working with.
I'm so disappointed to read comments on this thread to the effect of "There's nothing in it for the company but risk". I once put in about 8 hours on a take home project at a company (well known in these parts) that I had tremendous respect for, only to get an email back with "sorry, not up to par. We need someone with more experience". I asked them for a couple quick points on what I could have done better. I had ze…
I'm so disappointed to read comments on this thread to the effect of "There's nothing in it for the company but risk". I once put in about 8 hours on a take home project at a company (well known in these parts) that I had tremendous respect for, only to get an email back with "sorry, not up to par. We need someone with more experience". I asked them for a couple quick points on what I could have done better. I had ze…
Non paid take home projects... Huge red flag.
Edit to add: as far as getting paid, nobody expects to get paid for an onsite interview so I wouldn't expect to get paid for a take home project either. As long as it takes the same amount of time that the coding portion of an onsite interview reasonably would, that is.