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#52Simple question, are electronic voting systems required to be FedRamp certified? If not why not?
Re: DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenges before 2020 elections [pdf]
#53I am deathly afraid for our elections this year.
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#54when viewed from a sludge-money lens (a la the F35) electronic voting and election security seem largely working as intended: - we know paper works (Canada/UK) so there must be an ulterior motive for pushing on tech solution so hard - money gets sent to various entities under the guise of tech, security, freedom, etc. (contracts for voting machines, contracts for software, etc.). this basically gives some limited air…
UK and Canada are parliamentary systems so most ballots are one page. Most of those are just a single question with one selection permitted. In the US the ballot I get in my polling place depends on where I live and sometimes what party I am registered with. My ballot will likely be different than the next person in line. That ballot is many pages with numerous questions per page. And for about half of the questions…
Australian ballots are not always simple, and you vote for your local representative so each district has a different one. Often you will have multiple ballots to complete, and some have the choice between above or below the line voting (where above you select some preferences and below you select all preferences, where all may be over 100 boxes).
Parties often hand out small leaflets outside the voting locations with instructions for above the line voting, which is typically a list of around 6 preferences in order.
Despite this, voting in Australia is done with paper, and we have live coverage with real-time counts on election night. Paper works quite well, computers really aren't necessary.
Re: DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenges before 2020 elections [pdf]
#55when viewed from a sludge-money lens (a la the F35) electronic voting and election security seem largely working as intended: - we know paper works (Canada/UK) so there must be an ulterior motive for pushing on tech solution so hard - money gets sent to various entities under the guise of tech, security, freedom, etc. (contracts for voting machines, contracts for software, etc.). this basically gives some limited air…
UK and Canada are parliamentary systems so most ballots are one page. Most of those are just a single question with one selection permitted. In the US the ballot I get in my polling place depends on where I live and sometimes what party I am registered with. My ballot will likely be different than the next person in line. That ballot is many pages with numerous questions per page. And for about half of the questions…
This is one of the very weird things about the US system, that somewhere in reconstruction the parties were effectively nationalised and allowed to use state-run election infrastructure.
The concept of "registered for party X" doesn't exist in European systems. The state has no business running internal party affairs, they can select their own candidates.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
The discussion over paper vs. electronic ballots tends to miss many of the largest issues in election security. DHS is correct in pointing out that we need a focus on the larger landscape of election support infrastructure. Notably, electronic pollbooks are a very important part of the voting system which cannot readily be replaced with a non-digital solution. Simply switching to paper ballots reduces the problem, bu…
An audit recount is at least possible with paper ballots. If digital records are modified, how are you going to audit them?
This is perhaps the #1 misunderstanding of electronic voting technology that I encounter and frustrates me endlessly: the most widely used electronic voting method in the US, precinct tabulators, are a paper-ballot based system. The only change from the "traditional" approach to voting in the US is that the OMR is moved from the county elections office to the precinct polling place, which simplifies handling of the paper ballots. The paper ballots remain the "source of truth" and are retained for audit, the machine just tabulates the ballots immediately after the voter turning them in, instead of a courier delivering the ballot box to the central office for tabulation. Precinct tabulators include multiple safeguards against tampering which are far from perfect but reasonably effective against most common attacks - ultimately the safeguard against tampering is the same as it always has been, that the ballot box must be kept under watch of sworn election officials to protect the integrity of the paper ballots. Exact handling of the ballot boxes vary by jurisdiction, in this state they are entrusted to the state court system for retention for several years and can be retrieved and opened for auditing by order of a judge.
Risk models for precinct tabulators are generally ballot stuffing, tampering with software in the supply chain, tampering with election configuration, or tampering with an individual OMR, such as in the polling place (this is by far the case that gets the most attention, even the security community seems to have largely not noticed the first three). Ballot stuffing is generally prevented by use of a machine "unlock" procedure (using a cryptographic token in the most common system) and review of the paper audit tape against the pollbook and/or voting permits generated by the pollbook (number of ballots on tape must match number of issued permits and the number of voters recorded as voted by the pollbook, these are independent checks in my jurisdiction although they should always be equivalent - checking both ways is actually a means of auditing the pollbook). Tampering with individual tabulators is relatively easily discovered by auditing the ballots using a different machine, which is the normal recount process in this jurisdiction. Tampering with tabulator configuration (likely by compromise of the election management system used to program the machines) can be detected by inspecting the paper audit tapes which include the machine configuration, which is normally conducted by a university political science department in this jurisdiction. This political science department also inspects the audit tape totals to audit the central office tabulation where the machine counts are added.
Tampering with tabulator software in the supply chain is by far the most difficult and concerning case. In every case I have ever seen, tabulators are never connected to the internet. However, they are connected to a configuration system which may be internet connected, and could offer a (not easy but possible) route to tampering with their software. It is more likely that such tampering would occur prior to delivery of the machine or perhaps during storage. If done carefully it could be very difficult to detect by any audit method except for a hand-count of ballots. In this jurisdiction and, according to NCSL in the majority of US states, a hand-count is performed on a subset of ballots as part of the normal post-election audit process, and should detect this type of tampering unless the effect is very small.
To be clear, some direct recording electronic or DRE machines are a major concern because there is no paper ballot for independent auditing. The term DRE can be confusing because some DREs produce a voter-verified paper audit trail or VVPAT which is essentially a machine-marked paper ballot which is shown to the voter prior to tabulation. These machines are considered DRE rather than precinct tabulators because they directly record the voter's preferences from the marker rather than scanning a paper ballot, however, because a paper ballot is retained they are mostly equivalent to precinct tabulators, with the downside that voters may not scrupulously verify the VVPAT since they were not required to mark it manually. Only about 28% of voters according to Pew vote using DRE machines, and according to Verified Voting about one quarter of those machines produce a VVPAT. This would suggest that about 21% of registered voters live in jurisdictions where there is no paper audit trail. This is definitely highly concerning, but is a significantly lower proportion of voters than most people who discuss this issue seem to think.
The popularity of DRE equipment increased significantly after the Help America Vote act because DRE machines contain significantly more advanced accessibility features (e.g. blind and mobility-impaired voter modes) and HAVA required jurisdictions to upgrade to machines with these features. However, HAVA does not require DRE at all. Jurisdictions which centrally count ballots or use precinct tabulators can offer voters with accessibility needs a "ballot marker" which they insert their ballot into. After assisting the voter, the machine marks their ballot and returns it to them, allowing them or an assister to verify the ballot's correctness. In my experience most disabled voters prefer to have a human such as a family member or sworn election official assist them in marking their ballot anyway, since it is easier than learning to use the machine's accessibility interface modes, but the ballot marking machine offers them the option of complete privacy. In the case of perhaps the most popular precinct tabulator, ImageCase, the ballot marker is the same machine as the tabulator to save space and equipment maintenance. In this case the machine returns the ballot to the voter after marking for inspection and the voter reinserts the ballot into the same machine for tabulation.
Focusing on all electronic voting methods, including precinct tabulation, as an evil, like a large portion of people in the tech community currently do, has significant downsides. Precinct tabulators, and OMR tabulation more generally, has significant advantages in terms of cost, accuracy (assuming no tampering, as in the majority of cases), and timeliness of results. Further, precinct tabulators have advantage to voters. Precinct tabulators generally sound an alert and return the ballot to the voter if there are problems tabulating it. This prevents votes being lost due to marking errors or damage to the ballot. Precinct tabulators confirm to the voter on a display that their ballot has been successfully tabulated, providing them with a higher level of confidence that their ballot will be counted than central tabulation provides.
This has been a very long comment, but this is a topic about which I am extremely passionate. Those involved in advocating for changes in the mechanics of the US election system must be sufficiently knowledgeable of the actual methods and machines in use to make reasoned arguments. This includes knowing the difference between precinct tabulation of paper ballots and DRE, and especially DRE with no VVPAT. Unfortunately it seems that most of the time they do not. It doesn't help that the media and even technical experts (although not technical experts in voting) regularly conflate OMR, precinct tabulation, and DRE, and generally contribute to an impression that the majority of US voters leave no paper trail even when that is untrue.
Were I president of the world, I would like to see legislation which mandates the use of a voter-marked paper ballot. This allows the significant advantages of precinct tabulators while ensuring the ability to audit the election by hand. I would further like to see legislation which requires that all jurisdictions hand-count a portion of ballots as an audit, possibly using the tiered method used in some states in which the size of the audit sample increases as the margin in a race gets smaller, eventually leading to a full hand count (this is essentially a more systematized version of the automatic recount legislation that already exists in many states).
This is somewhat complicated when many people are arguing against the use of any technology in the voting process, while unaware that technology (namely centralized OMR, which is essentially strictly inferior to precinct tabulators) has been in use since the '60s and widespread since far before the introduce of problematic DREs, and unaware of the controls in place to prevent and detect tampering with these systems. Electronic voting simply does not mean that there is no auditable paper ballot - in the strong majority of cases there is. Let's focus on the real problem, which is DRE with no VVPAT (with DRE in general being desirable to eliminate due to the limitations of VVPAT), and not cause election authorities to feel that they need to hold onto their unauditable DRE systems because the public acts like the only viable alternative is a full hand-count, which is prohibitively expensive by orders of magnitude to US elections authorities which generally suffer from severely limited funding.
Edit: besides fixing spelling, on a reread I realize that I should emphasize that precinct tabulators are connected to an election management system (which may be internet connected depending on the jurisdiction) prior to the election in order to program them. In some cases this is a direct network connection but more often it's a memory card that's moved from the election management system to the tabulator. They are not connected to anything during actual tabulation or at any time before the audit tapes and results card are removed. It is a sensible policy to require election management systems to be disconnected from the internet, and DHS has focused in on this issue closely in their work.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ...so there must be an ulterior motive for pushing on tech solution so hard I know someone in the industry who thinks software voting will solve the issues. It’s not ulterior motives; People actually believe it will help.
Agreed, I see a lot of "if Estonia can do online voting, why can't we?" When I talk to some of these people, who work in the SV as software engineers, I realize not everyone has a wide ranging context on security and privacy. Not everyone religiously attends or watches DEFCON presentations... There is also a continuous push to make results available faster, basically instantly. The media is as guilty as everyone else…
Hey, it sounds like you just came up with an excellent screening question for interviewing potential software developers for any project with security and/or privacy requirements.
"Do you think electronic voting is a good idea?" A "yes" answer would suggest strongly that the candidate does not have a deep understanding of software security and privacy issues.
Re: DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenges before 2020 elections [pdf]
#58when viewed from a sludge-money lens (a la the F35) electronic voting and election security seem largely working as intended: - we know paper works (Canada/UK) so there must be an ulterior motive for pushing on tech solution so hard - money gets sent to various entities under the guise of tech, security, freedom, etc. (contracts for voting machines, contracts for software, etc.). this basically gives some limited air…
To improve US elections administration, it is imperative to address the severe funding limitations faced by most election authorities that may leave them little or no choice over the methods they use.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>How is it not efficient? It is not efficient for the people voting. More than 1 election I simply skipped because I did not want to find my polling place, stand in line, and then vote I want a Polling Place free Voting system
Move to Washington and mail it in. But to be honest, you have an obligation as a citizen to do whatever you have to do to vote and I’m not too sympathetic to people without a disability saying it’s too hard to get out of the house when I see other people standing outside in the cold and rain for hours to do it. Take some responsibility for your country.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ...so there must be an ulterior motive for pushing on tech solution so hard I know someone in the industry who thinks software voting will solve the issues. It’s not ulterior motives; People actually believe it will help.
Nothing beats the relaxation of voting by mail. Secure? Better then most.
All of this said, the convenience and accessibility of mail-in voting is extremely beneficial and so an ideal solution may be a hybrid arrangement in which voters have the option of mailing in their ballots or submitting them for immediate tabulation at a precinct or early polling location. This system actually exists in several states although the "mail-in option" tends to actually be an extension of absentee voting (basically, you are allowed to vote absentee by mail even if you just want your ballot sent to your own house inside of the jurisdiction), but awareness of the mail-in voting option could be significantly improved.