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Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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If Israel had wanted security, they would have accepted the worldwide consensus on the two-state solution 30 years ago, and would have moved on to further diplomatic ties with their closest neighbors. Instead, Israel wants territory and power, so they build illegal colonies on stolen land, they brutalize Palestine and make a show of brutally repressing them,and they antagonize and threaten their neighbors in defiance…

I fully agree with you until the part about the USA. Yes, it's true that the US aren't a reluctant ally but an enthusiastic one; but this is because the US have been led to believe through relentless lobbying and propaganda that their interests always coincide with those of Israel. Which is of course not true, and cannot be true by definition. But the level of confusion is such that Kushner, who as a government offic…

Perhaps I misspoke, I didn't mean to imply that the population of the USA has its interests aligned with Israel.

I meant that the US ruling class is very much happy with Israel's actions, because the turmoil in the region often lines their own pockets, and at least attacks a lot of their own enemies.

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Records filed by the estate on Friday indicate that Southern Country had $693,157 in assets when Mr. Epstein died on Aug. 10. Then, in mid-December, the estate transferred $15.5 million to Southern Country in two checks. Southern Country sent back $2.6 million, leaving the total it received at $12.9 million. The documents filed by the estate do not give a reason for the transfers. It’s also not clear what Southern Co…

Simplest explanation is it's part of a ploy to minimize tax pay-out.

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Same here. It's incredibly striking to sort of see the pieces laid out in front of you, really _feel_ that they put together facts, but not have the glue you need to objectively/factually put them all together. To me it feels like the "Israeli operative" scenario seems pretty legit.

Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of an alleged Mossad (Israeli Intelligence) operative. Coming from someone who hates conspiracy theories, I think this one isn't too far fetched.

    Coming from someone who hates conspiracy 
    theories, I think this one isn't too far fetched.
Yeah, I agree.

Typically I don't believe conspiracy theories, on the simple grounds that large numbers of people can't keep secrets very well.

The Epstein thing kind of has that answer built in.

A rich guy became "untouchable" by throwing sex parties and gathering blackmail material on important people. That's pretty much the easiest thing in the world to believe. At some point it becomes a self-perpetuating thing. Nobody wants to investigate him because it's a potential career-ruiner.

And keep in mind that he didn't need direct evidence on you. You just need to attend one of his parties where bad things went down. Let's say he's got video evidence of Famous Persons A, B, and C doing something at the party that happened on a specific night. You were at the party too, but like 47 out of the 50 guests you did nothing wrong and had no idea wrongdoing was happening. Well, now you're scared too. Maybe Epstein directly threatens you. Puts you in the little black book or whatever. Or maybe not. Some underage teenager was being victimized, and you were there, and now you have a strong incentive to hope the whole thing blows over because you're terrified of being painted as an abuser even though you were just there for the free shrimp and cocktails.

To me, it seems like the kind of thing anybody with sufficient money could pull off. It's not exactly news that donating fat sums of money to various institutions gets you prestige and access to lots of influential people.

I don't have an opinion on the Mossad stuff one way or another. Seems plausible but as for a guess on the likelihood it's way over my pay grade.

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there is a strong case to be made that Epstein could still be alive. Per interviews with the victims he video recorded EVERYTHING at his properties. Pinhole cameras, CCTVs in bedrooms/showers etc you name it. Chances are in order to protect himself - he had blackmail material on people we all know. If acts described by the victims were secretly taped then those people are royally (pun intended) screwed. Now the real…

> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alexander-acosta-dod...

This is something I had not read before. Thanks for bringing it up.

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If you want to keep the money, presumably yes. If you don't mind becoming an anonymous but financially insecure expat in the jungles of South America or Asia, then sure.

whats the going rate for a plastic face change surgery and a new US passport/identity? Will $500,000 do? Next step is setup private offshore trust/fund with new identity being the beneficiary. money problem solved. Ideally have all of the "new identity" paper work done well before it is needed: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jeffrey-...

1) If you're throwing lots of money around, there's a trail of evidence--electronic, paper, gossip. 2) If people know you're trying to hide--because you're getting face change surgery, because you're trying to launder gobs of cash--you're vulnerable to extortion, theft, and murder, in the moment and in perpetuity. (Again, the world is an ugly place filled with untold numbers of nasty people and billions of desperate people.)

You need either the law or a credible threat of retaliation to protect large assets. The former requires identity and a trail of evidence of ownership, not to mention reliable law enforcement; the latter requires reputation, which requires identity and a trail of evidence of retaliation. And except for industrial countries with a strong rule of law (i.e. the places you're probably trying to flee), both the law and the jungle require regular payments in cash, favors, or blood, commensurate with the assets you're trying to protect, to maintain the state of things. Not only can that quickly diminish your wealth, you're creating an ever larger footprint.

Is it possible? Theoretically, just like in the movies. But it's not easy. And it's not easy to pivot from an ultra rich, jet setting, flamboyant con-man to an anonymous nobody. It's worth noting that your link proves my point--his fake identity was readily discovered with a routine search warrant and home inspection. Epstein wasn't willing to give up the comforts of his public persona and the convenience of switching between his identities. And he clearly wasn't willing to flee before he got caught, which is something of a prerequisite.

Having some money is a good start. You can buy a bar or a hostel in some far flung part of the world where nobody asks questions, and hopefully you can coast for several decades. Maybe you can hide just enough gold and currency to maintain a comfortable life without drawing attention; enough to match the flow of retirement benefits (Social Security, etc), which can often be drawn down regardless of residency and are a common source of income for older expats. Otherwise, it's just mo' money, mo' problems.

On the other hand, it's rare for authorities to care enough to hunt someone down to the ends of the earth. But I assume the context here is a motivated intelligence agency or similarly resourceful and persistent organization (e.g. DoJ no longer able to turn a blind eye). Either way, though, the easiest way to hunt someone down is to follow the money.

Sources: Movies. Education. Traveling and meeting "interesting" expats from various countries fleeing everything you'd expect (wives, taxes, poverty, etc) except prosecution for heinous crimes, if their stories are to be believed.

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Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

What are we going to do about it? As individuals we feel powerless. Epstein/handlers have dirt on the media and were able to suppress THE story. Look at the ABC hot mic incident. Who knows how many media organizations are effectively controlled.

The entrenched and ossified power structure which has taken hold at the top has to be fought and dislodged by overwhelming collective action. Also, worth noting that a President of the United States (if backed by overwhelming popular support) could crack open any part of the CIA they wanted and show the public.

The controlled media still exerts a powerful influence over perception and narrative, but it is gradually being eroded by alternative sources and information flows.

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post #46

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Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of an alleged Mossad (Israeli Intelligence) operative. Coming from someone who hates conspiracy theories, I think this one isn't too far fetched.

Coming from someone who hates conspiracy theories, I think this one isn't too far fetched. Yeah, I agree. Typically I don't believe conspiracy theories, on the simple grounds that large numbers of people can't keep secrets very well. The Epstein thing kind of has that answer built in. A rich guy became "untouchable" by throwing sex parties and gathering blackmail material on important people. That's pretty much the e…

IMO you've captured all the important aspects, and yeah whether it's Mossad or CIA or organized crime or Satan worshippers, or some combination of them, a.) Isn't really that important, because the effects of the network exerting its power are the same regardless, and b.) Is probably just meant to be an unproductive side question for people to waste time examining.

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Not exactly sure what you mean by that one word [0], but: You would consider it a conspiracy theory saying that an agency that is funded to listen in to everything [1] is listening in to everything? And it turns out not to be a conspiracy theory when Snowden reveals that the agency funded to listen in to everything has a program to listen in to everything? Or does the conspiracy theory have any finer details I'm not…

The idea that the government was listening to everything on the internet was considered a baseless conspiracy theory before the Snowden leaks.

more like the partially documented ECHELON program that was widely discussed turned out to be only the tip of the iceberg

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We've literally toppled free governments, administered LSD to vulnerable people without their consent, and started purposeful rumors about important people being . What makes you think the CIA wouldn't run a child sex trafficking ring for "the greater good"?

Well, for one, it's [current year], and ethical standards within the CIA seem to have shifted a little. But also, I do actually think operating a child sex trafficking ring would probably be a lot more objectionable for most intelligence handlers than toppling governments. If someone asked you right now "you have two options: topple a government and replace them with a puppet, or run a child sex trafficking ring", an…

> Well, for one, it's [current year], and ethical standards within the CIA seem to have shifted a little.

The current head of the CIA is a torturer who illegally destroyed evidence. “Shifted a little” is awfully generous.

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Well, for one, it's [current year], and ethical standards within the CIA seem to have shifted a little. But also, I do actually think operating a child sex trafficking ring would probably be a lot more objectionable for most intelligence handlers than toppling governments. If someone asked you right now "you have two options: topple a government and replace them with a puppet, or run a child sex trafficking ring", an…

> Well, for one, it's [current year], and ethical standards within the CIA seem to have shifted a little. The current head of the CIA is a torturer who illegally destroyed evidence. “Shifted a little” is awfully generous.

Torture is heinous, of course. But, I have to admit, the torture tactics employed by the CIA in the past two decades against alleged terrorists still seem to be quite an ethical leap compared to what they used to be doing.
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