American children are struggling because migrant children are taking all the good jobs. Mass migration is a disaster for American families.
Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
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Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also significant selection bias on the entry side. U.S. immigration policies are heavily biased towards people with unique skills, high levels of education, and a fair amount of money in their home country, and biased against people who are likely to be a drain on public assistance. That means that most hyphenated-Americans have already passed two significant high-pass filters: they have to be willing to upro…
> and they have to bring enough to the table to convince U.S. immigration to let them in. Eh... my parents came with zero dollars to this country as part of family migration (zero due to currency export restrictions from their original country).
did they come as refugees or did they bring skills that suggested they would likely get employed/be able to contribute to the economy/would use welfare benefits etc?
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#193I often tell people to watch out for selection bias. Immigrants are a distinctly unique people. They're not just members of their foreign racial/national group, they're members of their foreign racial/national group with the ambitions/motivations to leave. To make the abstract concrete. Canadians living in the US are often thought to be "just like" Canadians living in Canada. But they're often not. Often they're the…
> To make the abstract concrete. Canadians living in the US are often thought to be "just like" Canadians living in Canada. But they're often not. Often they're the Canadians that sufficiently didnt fit into Canadian culture, or found something immanently attractive about US life (at least the perception of US life)... Or were just good enough to be offered a high paying job outside their country, such that emigratin…
The fact that they were even willing to apply and try to get a good-paying job outside of their hometown is a huge indicator. People are reluctant enough to leave their hometown when the local factory closes and all the jobs go away because of the comfort of home, actively being willing to move is a big indicator by itself.
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> To make the abstract concrete. Canadians living in the US are often thought to be "just like" Canadians living in Canada. But they're often not. Often they're the Canadians that sufficiently didnt fit into Canadian culture, or found something immanently attractive about US life (at least the perception of US life)... Or were just good enough to be offered a high paying job outside their country, such that emigratin…
The fact that they were even willing to apply and try to get a good-paying job outside of their hometown is a huge indicator. People are reluctant enough to leave their hometown when the local factory closes and all the jobs go away because of the comfort of home, actively being willing to move is a big indicator by itself.
I was an 'immigrant' from the US Midwest to Silicon Valley. Grew up raising hogs and making hay. One of 6 on the farm.
Four of us left Iowa seeking a better life: two VPs of Fortune-500 companies; one entrepreneur (me); one wandering IT specialist.
Our Iowan cohort we left behind are pretty much driving the school bus, working food service, mid-level office managers.
So some correlation between 'willing to leave' and 'ambitious enough to succeed'?
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also significant selection bias on the entry side. U.S. immigration policies are heavily biased towards people with unique skills, high levels of education, and a fair amount of money in their home country, and biased against people who are likely to be a drain on public assistance. That means that most hyphenated-Americans have already passed two significant high-pass filters: they have to be willing to upro…
> There's also significant selection bias on the entry side. U.S. immigration policies are heavily biased towards people with unique skills, high levels of education, and a fair amount of money in their home country Categorically false! Most of immigration to the US is family based; actually about two-third of them. source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/17/key-facts-a...
Even if family-based, you need to be on the more ambitious side to make the move to a different country, most likely a quarter to half the world away. Many Americans seem to think that everyone in a third-world country wants to move to the US. This is not true. Only a small subset is actually willing to uproot themselves into a new nation with a different language, culture and society for the sake of their future generations. Even if you ask the people here on H1B, many of them will tell you that they want to go back and don't think the stress of adapting and staying away from family is worth it. There is a lot of sacrifice involved. And these are people who are ambitious and entrepreneurial enough.
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also significant selection bias on the entry side. U.S. immigration policies are heavily biased towards people with unique skills, high levels of education, and a fair amount of money in their home country, and biased against people who are likely to be a drain on public assistance. That means that most hyphenated-Americans have already passed two significant high-pass filters: they have to be willing to upro…
> There's also significant selection bias on the entry side. U.S. immigration policies are heavily biased towards people with unique skills, high levels of education, and a fair amount of money in their home country Categorically false! Most of immigration to the US is family based; actually about two-third of them. source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/17/key-facts-a...
I find it strange that you're able to define it as categorically false given that the parent didn't specify what U.S immigration selection bias was being compared against.
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and they have to bring enough to the table to convince U.S. immigration to let them in. Eh... my parents came with zero dollars to this country as part of family migration (zero due to currency export restrictions from their original country).
did they come as refugees or did they bring skills that suggested they would likely get employed/be able to contribute to the economy/would use welfare benefits etc?
Family migration means a family member who is a citizen guarantees their ability to support themselves. They did.
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Black SWE here, grew up on the west side of Chicago, I don't think most white people understand how bad the literacy situation is. I could read competently before I even got to school and I went to grammar school in the 90s. First day of first grade, I found out no one could competently read a sentence. In fact, whole school (which has closed) was on this remedial education program called Advanced Directives or somet…
This. Systemic racism ... aaaand ... loser gangster culture. Would love to see the numbers on whether it's easier to become a chartered accountant or a rap artist. I'm seeing the other side of this, recently (disadvantaged white people). It's astonishing the loser mentalities and habits that many disadvantaged children learn from their early caregivers and peer group. As middle to upper middle class people, we often…
I went to school with those loser gangster children. I tutored a lot of them. I'm still friends with a few of them through social media. While I was being insecure about my grades, physical size (I was a pipsqueak), and typical teenage angst. Some of those loser gangsters had real insecurities about society. Being treated poorly by a family, school, and country that did not want them there.
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, we see people in fairly terrible countries not relocate. Why haven't 80% of all Mexican or Central American citizens relocated to the US? Or conversely, why haven't tons of the homeless in the US made their way to Mexico? If these countries are really significantly worse, and that is the only factor pushing normal people to relocate, then we should be seeing massive population movements all the time. Instead,…
> Why haven't X% of all "persons from country" relocated to "Country"? We don't see high numbers (let's say, above 50%) even when the push is high enough and their movements are legal. The majority of the Syrian population is still inside Syria as an example.
Thats kind of my point though isn't it? If it was something any normal person would be willing to do, then we wouldn't see that many Syrians stay inside of Syria. I would expect there is a top controlling percentage that would want to stay because their interests are protected, but outside of that, why aren't they just leaving?
Because it's hard to do it, legally or illegally. Only people that are driven and open to accepting the high risk of relocating are willing to do so. Therefore, it at least says something about the people immigrating to the US; They are driven individuals who are willing to take chances for success. Thus better numbers in terms of upward mobility.
Re: Children of immigrants have higher rates of upward mobility than US-born
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
And from the article, over 60% is of Mexican ancestry. So over 30 million versus the population of Mexico at a little over 120 million. Roughly 20% of Mexicans moved to the US.
Using the modern populations of these countries is disingenuous, you need to consider recent historical immigration rates (legal and illegal). This is like saying there are 42 million Black Americans and most Black people have West African roots, so Roughly 20% of Nigeria has moved to the US. As posted below, historically Mexicans have been in the US forever, and the US annexed large parts of Mexico relatively early…
> historically Mexicans have been in the US forever
As recently as 1940, Hispanics made up only 1.5% of the US. Population. As of 2010, they made up 16.3% of the U.S. population (about 50 million people). As a point of reference, Canada has a population of about 37 million people and the UK has a population of 63 million people. So we have imported roughly an entire Canada/UK's worth of people from Latin America. As far as I am aware, immigration of this scale is basically unprecedented in human history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d...