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Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by agertw2 »

krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

Maybe it's worth taking a moment to recall the glaring inconsistencies in the 9/11 story beat into our heads, then used as justification to engage in perpetual war (against an idea) and transform the world into a state of 24/7 total surveillance.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by ta999999171 »

notananthem wrote: post #120
readhn wrote: post #100

there is a strong case to be made that Epstein could still be alive. Per interviews with the victims he video recorded EVERYTHING at his properties. Pinhole cameras, CCTVs in bedrooms/showers etc you name it. Chances are in order to protect himself - he had blackmail material on people we all know. If acts described by the victims were secretly taped then those people are royally (pun intended) screwed. Now the real…

oh... wow cool story

Story? ha, okay clownshoes.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by mrguyorama »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #43
siv- wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lives until it collapses. Usually due to government intervention. Corrupt and bloated businesses also "live until they collapse". I trust in democracy more than markets.

> I trust in democracy more than markets. I don't. People vote against their best interests all the time. The SF housing market is self-inflicted from people voting against new housing, because many of them don't understand the concept of supply and demand. Neither markets nor democracy are perfect, but at least free markets are efficient.

>but at least free markets are efficient.

Big ol' citation needed there

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by ta999999171 »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #141
ta999999171 wrote: post #69

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> They've got better things to do This is incredible.

Haha, who in the world is downvoting this comment? It's an entirely apt way to point out the absurdity of the parent.

Threads like these are why HN will never have a public voting log.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by mrguyorama »

meowface wrote: post #117
wahern wrote: post #70

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> the most prolific child rapist in known history I think maybe your cynicism is misplaced. The world is a far uglier place than your comment presumes. And relative to the kinds of people intelligence agencies must deal with sometimes, Epstein's crimes and alleged crimes probably wouldn't raise an eyebrow. (Which isn't a comment on whether they were blackmail worthy.)

It all depends on what really happened. First off, he may have had no involvement with intelligence whatsoever, or beyond being interrogated after his arrest. If the intelligence agencies did set all of this up and told him to get real underaged girls (rather than actors pretending to be underaged) to blackmail people, or knew this was happening and allowed it to continue for so long, that'd actually be big. That's s…

We've literally toppled free governments, administered LSD to vulnerable people without their consent, and started purposeful rumors about important people being . What makes you think the CIA wouldn't run a child sex trafficking ring for "the greater good"?

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Post by salawat »

barry-cotter wrote: post #109
solotronics wrote: post #98

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It's easy to say "this is bad" but put yourself in the position of the Israeli leadership. They are a tiny country surrounded by enemies and a people who have experienced horrible atrocities in the recent past. Even though it is wrong I accept that the logical actions for them is to set up exteme measures of blackmail and espionage to further the security of their people and homeland. It's literally a survival issue…

All intelligence agencies are staffed by the morally bankrupt. To get bin Laden the CIA set back the effort to end polio decades. There are no good people in intelligence, only bad ones working for one country and bad ones working for another.

Sorry if this should have been more obvious, but are you referring to something that I seem to remember hearing about where the groups vaccinating were supposedly taking blood samples from people being vaccinated for DNA analysis, which when the story broke would have tarnished the willingness of patients to get vaccinated?

I do apologize. It has been a long while since I even recalled seeing that in passing, and I never really thought about it at the time; but it has stuck with me as a case illustrating the criticality of trust in medicine.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by Udik »

tsimionescu wrote: post #149
solotronics wrote: post #98

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It's easy to say "this is bad" but put yourself in the position of the Israeli leadership. They are a tiny country surrounded by enemies and a people who have experienced horrible atrocities in the recent past. Even though it is wrong I accept that the logical actions for them is to set up exteme measures of blackmail and espionage to further the security of their people and homeland. It's literally a survival issue…

If Israel had wanted security, they would have accepted the worldwide consensus on the two-state solution 30 years ago, and would have moved on to further diplomatic ties with their closest neighbors. Instead, Israel wants territory and power, so they build illegal colonies on stolen land, they brutalize Palestine and make a show of brutally repressing them,and they antagonize and threaten their neighbors in defiance…

I fully agree with you until the part about the USA. Yes, it's true that the US aren't a reluctant ally but an enthusiastic one; but this is because the US have been led to believe through relentless lobbying and propaganda that their interests always coincide with those of Israel. Which is of course not true, and cannot be true by definition. But the level of confusion is such that Kushner, who as a government official was given a top secret security clearance (besides being in charge of delivering a "peace plan" between Israel and Palestine) was also on the board of a "charity" collecting money for Israel's army. Let that sink in: someone who was collecting money to fund the army of a foreign country was given an official government role and a top secret security clearance!

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Post by meowface »

mrguyorama wrote: post #165
meowface wrote: post #117

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It all depends on what really happened. First off, he may have had no involvement with intelligence whatsoever, or beyond being interrogated after his arrest. If the intelligence agencies did set all of this up and told him to get real underaged girls (rather than actors pretending to be underaged) to blackmail people, or knew this was happening and allowed it to continue for so long, that'd actually be big. That's s…

We've literally toppled free governments, administered LSD to vulnerable people without their consent, and started purposeful rumors about important people being . What makes you think the CIA wouldn't run a child sex trafficking ring for "the greater good"?

Well, for one, it's [current year], and ethical standards within the CIA seem to have shifted a little. But also, I do actually think operating a child sex trafficking ring would probably be a lot more objectionable for most intelligence handlers than toppling governments.

If someone asked you right now "you have two options: topple a government and replace them with a puppet, or run a child sex trafficking ring", and you had to pick one, which would you choose? If I had to choose, I'd definitely choose the former.

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Post by AndrewBissell »

JabavuAdams wrote: post #92
marriedWpt wrote: post #22

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The private sector goes out of business. The government lives until it collapses.

Nah, it really doesn't. Or at least that's much too weak a signal to actually provide a constraint on bad corporate actors.

When corporations implode these days, shareholders get the shaft while the executives responsible parachute out with 10s of millions of dollars.
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