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Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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#171
I like open offices. I feel like you only hear the angry voices on subjects like this. I would get so depressed in a closed office that I just wouldn't work there, so you'd never find me in one.

I'm also a person who had to be at cafes or libraries to do good work. Working at home drives me crazy.

But I think offices should accommodate every kind of person.

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#173

The other side of this is that a very large percentage of folks in our industry seem to have social anxiety-spectrum issues. Folks without those don't seem to understand how much energy is being burned through just being out in the open and on display for all of your coworkers. It's not something I, personally, have control over. The time I've spent in "open concept" work places, I finish every day frustrated with my…

>a very large percentage of folks in our industry seem to have social anxiety-spectrum issues.

It seems like it, I wouldn't like a cubicle. I think open offices aren't ideal. I'd prefer a team room, but between solitude and open I pick open.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

#174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand what you're saying, but it's really more that we didn't know just how bad it could get. Cubicle farms were "soul crushing", because they came about from the same management practices that eventually led to open-floor plans: treating people as cost centers rather than people, micromanaging measurable real-estate costs at the expense of unmeasurable productivity. And while one can theoretically make good s…

You know what, if I'm going to be downvoted for an opinion, it should at least earn it: Too bad open offices are here to stay, if you were worth it you could get an office, maybe invest in some good headphones :)

> a huge part of craft is communication, and open offices are great for that.

But they aren't great for that. For most people, they're the opposite. That's the point the article is making, and the article agrees with what I've personally observed.

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#175

For me the problem is not really distractions (I don't care if people interrupt me from time to time, in fact I like it). My problem is the mental strain that stems from lack of privacy, the knowledge that people can see me and my monitor all the time, it's like there's a background process in my mind that checks whether what I want to do (move a lot in my chair, comment on HN, eat something) is ok with people around…

I get easily startled when I am very focused and people walk around in my peripheral vision or behind me. It really stresses me out. I work remote now so life is good but when I was at the office I was completely exhausted every evening because of this stress

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

#176
post #117

This article is not paying any attention to the main justification for open-plan offices, which is that they are cheaper. This is especially important in areas with expensive real estate, or where the total office space is limited.

Did you not read the entire article?

> The Harvard study, by contrast, undercuts the entire premise that justifies the fad. And that leaves companies with only one justification for moving to an open plan office: less floor space, and therefore a lower rent.

> But even that justification is idiotic because the financial cost of the loss in productivity will be much greater than the money saved in rent. Here's an article where I do the math for you. Even in high-rent districts, the savings have a negative ROI.

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#177
I don’t know about this!

There are so many bad management fads. How does one choose?

I am actually amazed that people don’t take management more seriously and don’t follow actual research. It’s amazing that we spend so much on employees and then leave so much of what happens to essentially personal beliefs and astrology.

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#178

35+ years in the IT workforce here. Yep, dumbest idea ever. The vast majority of my office time was in cubicles, which are pretty good. Usually enough privacy to get things done. I did have a glassed-in private office for about a year at one company. That was productivity heaven. In retrospect I was dumb to leave that company when I did, but they started demolishing offices for cubicles about 2 years later. It is all…

I suspect it’s merely a function of personality. Introverts will find it tiring and invasive. Extroverts will probably find it energizing, and will probably have the most vocal opinions shared.

Mind you, tech leans towards introverts and it’s much easier to find temporary loud spaces than temporary quiet spaces so... probably not ideal

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

#179

What about team based offices? Where a team of ~4 or ~5 people share an office?

This is my favorite layout. My hunch is that tech companies shy away from this in part because team sizes change pretty frequently and it's more hard to physically accomodate that.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

#180

The other side of this is that a very large percentage of folks in our industry seem to have social anxiety-spectrum issues. Folks without those don't seem to understand how much energy is being burned through just being out in the open and on display for all of your coworkers. It's not something I, personally, have control over. The time I've spent in "open concept" work places, I finish every day frustrated with my…

> The other side of this is that a very large percentage of folks in our industry seem to have social anxiety-spectrum issues.

I've tried to search for studies in the past but failed at google (after hearing numerous managers repeat many times that "loads of people in IT are on the spectrum"). If many (non medical) managers have said it, there must be easily accessible studies, surely.

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