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European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by dmitriid »

lprd wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the EU allows its countries to pursue their own policies, this is not hypocrisy, its simply clarifying that the EU itself will not be implementing this technology. What individual countries do is not up to the EU parliment.

Interesting. I've been living in France for about 8 years now (I'm a US expat) and I really need to understand more about the EU's functions and abilities. I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies. Do you have any material to help educate me on the subject? Thanks for the insight!

> I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies.

As a very crude analogy with the US, you could view EU parliament as federal government and country parliaments (and governments) as state governments.

Laws at the EU level are applicable to all countries, but individual countries have a lot of leeway in in implementation, enforcement and their own laws (as long as the don't contradict EU laws).

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by izzydata »

AsusFan wrote: post #29
weystrom wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The story is about a leaked draft of a plan to introduce the same technology on the parliament itself I did, and that's what I mean. They don't want it in the parliament and yet the subway station I use every day has facial recognition system in place, there is even a sign that says "it's for your safety". I'll believe in a ban when they'll take it down.

What part of "The European commission is expected to announce the ban this month, covering the use of the technology in stations, stadiums and shopping centres and lasting three to five years, to allow regulators time to assess the impact of the fast-developing technology." is confusing you? If you had followed the links, you'd know that there is a draft for the ban circulating since at least early January, and is du…

I get the impression he is saying it would have never been an issue for them if it wasn't ever going to be implemented at parliament specifically. It was not an issue to use it on every body else. If they could get away with it they would probably ban it from being used on themselves and continue to implement it everywhere else.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by raxxorrax »

chrisseaton wrote: post #36
raxxorrax wrote: post #4

It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected. But I know it is important to stay vigilant. The EU certainly has an ambition to be more attractive as a location for tech, but I think surveillance and security technologies have a high amount of grifters and should not be encouraged.

> It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected. Where in this article do you see a rejection of large scale surveillance?

In that they will have severe problems in justifying or even allowing this kind of surveillance for anything, since they themselves don't want to be subjected to it. It is pretty important since it acknowledges that there can be rejection of it without stating any reason. For now, I am very happy with that. But as I said, vigilance is still necessary.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by [deleted] »

raxxorrax wrote: post #43
chrisseaton wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected. Where in this article do you see a rejection of large scale surveillance?

In that they will have severe problems in justifying or even allowing this kind of surveillance for anything, since they themselves don't want to be subjected to it. It is pretty important since it acknowledges that there can be rejection of it without stating any reason. For now, I am very happy with that. But as I said, vigilance is still necessary.

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Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by kaazhan »

I does not mean there is no facial recognition deployed. I live in Marseille, France, and facial recognition is currently beeing deployey all over the city.

In fact, not only facial recognition, but posture recognition, walk recognition, etc. Marseille and Nice are two test-towns for global french deployment...

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by simion314 »

dmitriid wrote: post #41
lprd wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I've been living in France for about 8 years now (I'm a US expat) and I really need to understand more about the EU's functions and abilities. I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies. Do you have any material to help educate me on the subject? Thanks for the insight!

> I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies. As a very crude analogy with the US, you could view EU parliament as federal government and country parliaments (and governments) as state governments. Laws at the EU level are applicable to all countries, but individual countries have a lot of leeway in in implementation, enforcement and their own laws (as long as th…

>As a very crude analogy with the US, you could view EU parliament as federal government and country parliaments (and governments) as state governments.

I think this is not correct because from what I know in US you don't ever need unanimity to pass federal laws but let me know if I am wrong.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by dmitriid »

simion314 wrote: post #46
dmitriid wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies. As a very crude analogy with the US, you could view EU parliament as federal government and country parliaments (and governments) as state governments. Laws at the EU level are applicable to all countries, but individual countries have a lot of leeway in in implementation, enforcement and their own laws (as long as th…

>As a very crude analogy with the US, you could view EU parliament as federal government and country parliaments (and governments) as state governments. I think this is not correct because from what I know in US you don't ever need unanimity to pass federal laws but let me know if I am wrong.

That's why it's a crude analogy :) The devil is in the details, as always.
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