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European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by C1sc0cat »

bilekas wrote: post #5
weystrom wrote: post #2

As usual, politicians start to claim privacy rights when it comes to them, and yet this technology is already being tested throughout major European cities. The hypocrisy is real.

the EU allows its countries to pursue their own policies, this is not hypocrisy, its simply clarifying that the EU itself will not be implementing this technology. What individual countries do is not up to the EU parliment.

Countries are supposed to implement the directives but some countries play fast and loose in how they implement directives.

eg TUPE (employment law) is quite different in Spain Vs the UK

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by lprd »

bilekas wrote: post #5
weystrom wrote: post #2

As usual, politicians start to claim privacy rights when it comes to them, and yet this technology is already being tested throughout major European cities. The hypocrisy is real.

the EU allows its countries to pursue their own policies, this is not hypocrisy, its simply clarifying that the EU itself will not be implementing this technology. What individual countries do is not up to the EU parliment.

Interesting. I've been living in France for about 8 years now (I'm a US expat) and I really need to understand more about the EU's functions and abilities. I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies. Do you have any material to help educate me on the subject?

Thanks for the insight!

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by bilekas »

skrebbel wrote: post #25
bilekas wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not up to the EU. Thats up to the individual countries. The EU is a memebership of collective countries, not some all powerfull entity of controlling its memebers and telling them what to do.. It's not the same as the US federal system.

> controlling its memebers and telling them what to do This is exactly what EU directives and EU regulations are for. Every time the EU accepts either one of those, all members must follow them. EDIT: I'm confused that this gets downvoted. The EU has the power to force laws upon its members (not in every policy area, but in plenty) and it does so frequently. If that's not "telling member states what to do" then what…

> Every time the EU accepts either one of those, all members must follow them.

Who do you think accepts them in the EU ? ... Hint : (All Members)

> EU directives and EU regulations are for.

Actually what they're for is to ensure everyone who is a members gets the fair shake, thats why those that we have have all been agreed by all members. And our Single market is pretty great. Not perfect, it will continue to improve by the work and effort of us members together, but it's unimaginably better than none.

It's also extremely irresponsible to simply want to throw the toys out of the cot and not offer any real solutions; i.e : Brexit.

There was no exit plan, just a lot of chest pounding and falsehoods about the EU. Thats why it took so long for the UK.

Lets see how it plays out, I know all of Europe will be paying attention.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by bilekas »

lprd wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the EU allows its countries to pursue their own policies, this is not hypocrisy, its simply clarifying that the EU itself will not be implementing this technology. What individual countries do is not up to the EU parliment.

Interesting. I've been living in France for about 8 years now (I'm a US expat) and I really need to understand more about the EU's functions and abilities. I understand that there are different legislative bodies of Europe, but not sure how each applies. Do you have any material to help educate me on the subject? Thanks for the insight!

https://europa.eu/european-union/law_en

The europa.eu site has ever piece of information available, it can be a bit wordy and legal but there is usually references to bodies and the precedents they have taken etc.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by raxxorrax »

piokoch wrote: post #10
raxxorrax wrote: post #4

It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected. But I know it is important to stay vigilant. The EU certainly has an ambition to be more attractive as a location for tech, but I think surveillance and security technologies have a high amount of grifters and should not be encouraged.

No it is not rejected. This is only about EU parliament building. In fact, I would like facial recognition to be used over there, so we know which EU MP is meeting which lobbyists, for me this is would be a legitimate usecase of such technology.

It certainly makes more sense to employ surveillance on officials instead of the whole public, but I would be cautious as well.

Achieving transparency requires meticulous checks whereas video cameras only serve as a cheap distraction. Neither public servants nor lobbyists would be stupid enough to be affected, same goes for criminals for that matter, and while I do think that public figures need to make concessions to their privacy in some cases, it doesn't have to be unnecessarily excessive.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by chrisseaton »

raxxorrax wrote: post #4

It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected. But I know it is important to stay vigilant. The EU certainly has an ambition to be more attractive as a location for tech, but I think surveillance and security technologies have a high amount of grifters and should not be encouraged.

> It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected.

Where in this article do you see a rejection of large scale surveillance?

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by bilekas »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #31
bilekas wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the EU allows its countries to pursue their own policies, this is not hypocrisy, its simply clarifying that the EU itself will not be implementing this technology. What individual countries do is not up to the EU parliment.

Countries are supposed to implement the directives but some countries play fast and loose in how they implement directives. eg TUPE (employment law) is quite different in Spain Vs the UK

It is true some members dont always play by the rules, even something as significant as GDPR has questionable implementation coverage even in Belgium. I know myself Ireland has some questionable Tax issues which dont really help the other countries get a fair playing field.

Enforcement is an issue, it wasnt really imagined that you would agree to something as a group and then walk away and say : "Well forget that".

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by josephagoss »

Whereas Australia has blown right through the discussion and enabled facial recognition without public discourse.

I just found out a close suburb (East Perth) has 30-60 government run facial recognition cameras being installed with this being pushed this year to the entire Perth city area.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/face-tracking-tech...

There is a reason Australia is the guinea pig of the western nations for erosion of rights and privacy tests to see how far we can be contained and pushed.

Because Australians are the most passive of all peoples across the world and are historically the easiest population to control.

But once the five eyes work out their tech and policy here they will push it out to the rest of the world.

We are the control group.

https://www.afr.com/technology/five-eyes-fears-rise-over-aus...

Australia’s population is so passive that we have passed extremely terrifying laws that now the five eyes use to bypass their own countries laws.

Australia today. UK and USA tomorrow.

Re: European parliament says it will not use facial recognition tech

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Post by iso1210 »

piokoch wrote: post #10
raxxorrax wrote: post #4

It is good to see that large scale surveillance is rejected. But I know it is important to stay vigilant. The EU certainly has an ambition to be more attractive as a location for tech, but I think surveillance and security technologies have a high amount of grifters and should not be encouraged.

No it is not rejected. This is only about EU parliament building. In fact, I would like facial recognition to be used over there, so we know which EU MP is meeting which lobbyists, for me this is would be a legitimate usecase of such technology.

I'd rather we had a well funded press that could apply journalistic skills to uncovering the truth
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