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Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by commoner »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #148
woah wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that the government was listening to everything on the internet was considered a baseless conspiracy theory before the Snowden leaks.

"internet was considered a baseless conspiracy" I never met anyone who said it was a conspiracy theory that the intelligence agencies would listen in to everything on the internet and fullfilling their self stated purpose [0]. Even my mother thinks that is their job. But it seems you have met people that claim the NSA doing it's job is a conspiracy theory. What would those people say the job and purpose of the NSA is…

It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since Internet privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then.

(Edited to add "Internet" above.)

> Until Snowden, the idea that Western governments would routinely collect, store, and analyze our personal data sounded like a conspiracy theory to many people.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/the-snowden-lega...

> The revelations were shocking: the scope and depth of the NSA’s collection of private data stopped looking like a conspiracy theory and became a cold, hard reality we all had to face.

https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/30/5224680/the-year-in-revi...

> There was a time when the idea that the U.S. government might spy on your web activity might have seemed like a far-fetched conspiracy theory.

> But that was before Edward Snowden.

https://computer.howstuffworks.com/government-see-website.ht...

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

commoner wrote: post #151
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"internet was considered a baseless conspiracy" I never met anyone who said it was a conspiracy theory that the intelligence agencies would listen in to everything on the internet and fullfilling their self stated purpose [0]. Even my mother thinks that is their job. But it seems you have met people that claim the NSA doing it's job is a conspiracy theory. What would those people say the job and purpose of the NSA is…

It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since Internet privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then. (Edited to add "Internet" above.) > Until Snowden, the idea that Western governments would routinely collect, store, and analyze our personal data sounded like a conspiracy theory to many people. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/the-snowden-lega.…

"It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then."

No it's not. I can't find any data to this narrative. There were (media) discussions on the government collecting all the data it can in the 70s, and they come up with every census.

There have been huge discussions around ECHOLON. There have been huge discussions about COINTELPRO.

Shocking to whom? I never met anyone who was shocked. Did you? Were YOU shocked by the fact that the NSA was listening in on the internet? Was your mom shocked that the government listened in on the internet? Who are those "many people"? Is there a poll or any substantial data? I really would like to hear from someone who thinks that it was a conspiracy theory that the NSA was listening in on the internet and then was shocked by the Snowden revelations.

I've read all three articles and none has any data or facts about the "many people" or any sources. What are many people? Where does this come from?

The parent comment claims:

"considered a baseless conspiracy theory before the Snowden leaks."

Considered by whom?

EDIT: Ok, thanks telling me you were shocked that the NSA was listening in on the internet. I would not have thought that someone on HN was shocked, especially after ECHOLON - I stand corrected.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by commoner »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #152
commoner wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since Internet privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then. (Edited to add "Internet" above.) > Until Snowden, the idea that Western governments would routinely collect, store, and analyze our personal data sounded like a conspiracy theory to many people. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/the-snowden-lega.…

"It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then." No it's not. I can't find any data to this narrative. There were (media) discussions on the government collecting all the data it can in the 70s, and they come up with every census. There have been huge discussions around ECHOLON. There have been huge discussions…

The key words in here are "scope and depth". Before Snowden, the idea that the American government would collect the communications of hundreds of millions of people who are not under investigation en masse was considered a conspiracy theory by the average American Internet user. I'm not aware of any studies done on this topic, but it's a common sense observation.

Yes, I was shocked by the PRISM disclosures in 2013. Feel free to contact the authors of these articles if you want to argue with them, since they agree.

Edit: You apparently disliked my replies enough to downvote all of my recent comments on other threads.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by arthurcolle »

kenneth wrote: post #104
arthurcolle wrote: post #83

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Bank to bank transactions seem to be pretty much a wild west after you leave 1st world countries, like the US, assuming that there are limited treaties between the two countries, etc... The only reason why these major "bank hacks" (different subject, but just sharing) work is because you can transfer the money out and liquidate without real issues (until you get caught for whatever reason).

The US virgin islands are part of the US

Yeah, this is very well known.

I could have been more specific but in any case, that's not particularly relevant given the fact that taxation is significantly more favorable there compared to other principalities, territories, et. al. of the US.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by hylaride »

mirimir wrote: post #115
ra5 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. It's incredibly striking to sort of see the pieces laid out in front of you, really _feel_ that they put together facts, but not have the glue you need to objectively/factually put them all together. To me it feels like the "Israeli operative" scenario seems pretty legit.

So what, could this be a key aspect of Israeli influence in the US? I mean, through entrapment of politicians. I don't know anything about Mossad. But I do know that sexual blackmail was a key tool of the KGB. Along with simple greed, of course.

The mossad is one of the most active and effective intelligence agencies in the world. Their stories both successes and failures (that we’ve heard about) are legendary.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by AndrewBissell »

solotronics wrote: post #98
krn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that even after his life there aren't gobs of collaborators being arrested also leads me to think that he wasn't even in charge of the whole thing. There are enough reasons to believe that Jeffrey Epstein might have operated a honeypot for Mossad, and Ghislaine Maxwell was his handler: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21410931 That would explain why Jeffrey Epstein’s injuries look more like murder than…

It's easy to say "this is bad" but put yourself in the position of the Israeli leadership. They are a tiny country surrounded by enemies and a people who have experienced horrible atrocities in the recent past. Even though it is wrong I accept that the logical actions for them is to set up exteme measures of blackmail and espionage to further the security of their people and homeland. It's literally a survival issue…

Sounds like they just need some Lebensraum.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by friendly_fren »

krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

What are we going to do about it? As individuals we feel powerless.

Epstein/handlers have dirt on the media and were able to suppress THE story. Look at the ABC hot mic incident. Who knows how many media organizations are effectively controlled.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

commoner wrote: post #153
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's easy to forget how things were before the Snowden revelations, since privacy issues have been covered much more extensively by the media since then." No it's not. I can't find any data to this narrative. There were (media) discussions on the government collecting all the data it can in the 70s, and they come up with every census. There have been huge discussions around ECHOLON. There have been huge discussions…

The key words in here are "scope and depth". Before Snowden, the idea that the American government would collect the communications of hundreds of millions of people who are not under investigation en masse was considered a conspiracy theory by the average American Internet user. I'm not aware of any studies done on this topic, but it's a common sense observation. Yes, I was shocked by the PRISM disclosures in 2013.…

I've upvoted your replies, because I stand corrected as I've said.

My comments though have tanked Karma.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by wiglaf1979 »

proximitysauce wrote: post #3

Records filed by the estate on Friday indicate that Southern Country had $693,157 in assets when Mr. Epstein died on Aug. 10. Then, in mid-December, the estate transferred $15.5 million to Southern Country in two checks. Southern Country sent back $2.6 million, leaving the total it received at $12.9 million. The documents filed by the estate do not give a reason for the transfers. It’s also not clear what Southern Co…

Give Moneyland a read/listen to if you want to go down a rabbit hole about how hard money is to track once it enters an offshore bank account. We really have an international finance issue for situations for this.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39979237-moneyland

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by blaser-waffle »

wiglaf1979 wrote: post #159
proximitysauce wrote: post #3

Records filed by the estate on Friday indicate that Southern Country had $693,157 in assets when Mr. Epstein died on Aug. 10. Then, in mid-December, the estate transferred $15.5 million to Southern Country in two checks. Southern Country sent back $2.6 million, leaving the total it received at $12.9 million. The documents filed by the estate do not give a reason for the transfers. It’s also not clear what Southern Co…

Give Moneyland a read/listen to if you want to go down a rabbit hole about how hard money is to track once it enters an offshore bank account. We really have an international finance issue for situations for this. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39979237-moneyland

This would be the place to mention the Panama Papers...
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