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Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by econcon »

KoftaBob wrote: post #34
searcher1 wrote: post #7

I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that the simplest explanation for investigations being constantly spiked or important evidence repeatedly disappearing during Epstein's life, is that enough high-ranking officials got invited to "parties" and slept with his underage sex slaves (or worse) on video, and were then blackmailed. The fact that even after his life there aren't gobs of collaborators being arrested also…

Bingo. Based on just what's publicly known about him and Ghislaine Maxwell, it's pretty obvious they're both tied with Israeli intelligence and were collecting blackmail material the Mossad could use to "influence" powerful people. Sexual blackmail is intelligence 101.

Heck even Chinese businesses used this technique against East European politicians.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by econcon »

Animats wrote: post #35

Epstein may have the record for pimping at scale. There have been pimps for several thousand years. There have been pimps using blackmail. That's not new. Becoming a billionaire with a private island that way, though - that's new.

He just proved - to be a billionaire, all you need are billionaire clients or some product which billionaires will pay for.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by kortilla »

krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

But there is no silent way to dispose of someone in the public light. No matter the death cause, people are going to call it awfully convenient.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by powerslacker »

krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

> how come this very well-organized, lead by world-class professionals and covered up by incredibly influential people (both on the "offending" and "blackmailed" sides) operation gets "cleaned up" in a way such that every fucking couch potato in the internet (HN included) sees that this is obviously staged? Mossad cannot silently get rid of people?

It's classic spycraft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

woah wrote: post #130
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive success stories of several government intelligence agencies dismissed as "conspiracy stories" for decades turned out to be true." I would be interested in these, any Wikipedia links?

PRISM

Not exactly sure what you mean by that one word [0], but: You would consider it a conspiracy theory saying that an agency that is funded to listen in to everything [1] is listening in to everything? And it turns out not to be a conspiracy theory when Snowden reveals that the agency funded to listen in to everything has a program to listen in to everything?

Or does the conspiracy theory have any finer details I'm not getting or is different?

Was it a conspiracy of the agency to listen in on everyone? Or is the conspiracy that the government ('people in the know') conspired to keep it (a secret agency program) secret?

[0] "PRISM is a code name for a program under which the United States National Security Agency (NSA) collects internet communications from various U.S. internet companies." Wikipedia

[1] "The NSA is responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign and domestic intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, specializing in a discipline known as signals intelligence (SIGINT)." Wikipedia

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by AndrewBissell »

peteretep wrote: post #90
Relys wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's not to say that they weren't already intelligence assets and this whole kompromat operation was actually ran by a nation-state or collection of nation-states?

The one time there’s potentially a real global Israeli/Mossad conspiracy and the tinfoil hat crowd are convinced it’s somehow all the Clinton’s fault.

That may itself be an intelligence agency psy op. The origins of the Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracy theories are very opaque, but the leading promoters were Jack Posobiec (former naval intelligence) and Mike Cernovich (who featured Alan Dershowitz in one of his documentaries).

The Clintons are 100% involved though.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by doubt_me »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #127
krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

"That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive success stories of several government intelligence agencies dismissed as "conspiracy stories" for decades turned out to be true." I would be interested in these, any Wikipedia links?

the only reason why MK Ultra was discovered was through a cache of just under 100k files that were supposed to be destroyed but ended up being found on accident. This forced the CIA to shut it down after it being unknown to the public for over 30 years. aka we don't really know how far back it goes and most likely will never understand the entirety of its reach. The Water gate scandal had everyone in the CIA destroying everything under strict rules if my memory serves correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

doubt_me wrote: post #137
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive success stories of several government intelligence agencies dismissed as "conspiracy stories" for decades turned out to be true." I would be interested in these, any Wikipedia links?

the only reason why MK Ultra was discovered was through a cache of just under 100k files that were supposed to be destroyed but ended up being found on accident. This forced the CIA to shut it down after it being unknown to the public for over 30 years. aka we don't really know how far back it goes and most likely will never understand the entirety of its reach. The Water gate scandal had everyone in the CIA destroyi…

Where would the conspiracy therory on MK Ultra be? That the CIA has a research programm using drugs and psychology to find a truth serum against spies of the Soviet Union? And people said this is a conspiracy theory and then the Church commission proofed it not to be one?

How would the Phoenix Program also be a conspiracy theory?

Where is the difference between a secret government agency program and a conspiracy?

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by krick »

powerslacker wrote: post #134
krick wrote: post #124

Let me wonder aloud here. The story goes that Epstein was a Mossad puppet in an operation that served to control the richest, most powerful and influential, most well-connected people alive, to extent to significantly affect things on global political stage. That operation was successfully going on for decades. (That's impressive, but wouldn't really surprise me, as we know for a fact that some even more impressive s…

> how come this very well-organized, lead by world-class professionals and covered up by incredibly influential people (both on the "offending" and "blackmailed" sides) operation gets "cleaned up" in a way such that every fucking couch potato in the internet (HN included) sees that this is obviously staged? Mossad cannot silently get rid of people? It's classic spycraft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

Didn't know there's a name for that, but that's pretty much the point of my message. A quote from the Wikipedia:

> while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case

So, what's the key? Clearly not what we are currently made to believe.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein's mystery bank came alive after his death

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Post by Udik »

solotronics wrote: post #98
krn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that even after his life there aren't gobs of collaborators being arrested also leads me to think that he wasn't even in charge of the whole thing. There are enough reasons to believe that Jeffrey Epstein might have operated a honeypot for Mossad, and Ghislaine Maxwell was his handler: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21410931 That would explain why Jeffrey Epstein’s injuries look more like murder than…

It's easy to say "this is bad" but put yourself in the position of the Israeli leadership. They are a tiny country surrounded by enemies and a people who have experienced horrible atrocities in the recent past. Even though it is wrong I accept that the logical actions for them is to set up exteme measures of blackmail and espionage to further the security of their people and homeland. It's literally a survival issue…

> to further the security of their people and homeland.

They're not furthering the security of the homeland. They're furthering the homeland, expanding it into territories belonging to people who face a much worse existential threat- Israel itself.

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