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Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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This is ridiculous, no statement exists outside of context. > "If you saw someone about to murder a child, would you punch them to stop it?" > "Yes I'd punch that person" > This just in: AndrewUnmuted advocating violent assault and battery. We would never stand for a journalist making that kind of report, why? Because it's a contextomy of the worst kind that totally twists what was said, and is tantamount to a lie ev…

I get and agree with the premise, but wouldn't someone punching a murderer to be fall under Defense of Another technically and not assault and battery? I think in that case saying someone was advocating assault and battery would be technically and practically untrue.

This is great proof of the point:

- You would still technically be committing the legal definition of those crimes, you just have a valid defense, under the rights afforded by defense of others

- You could aways weasel out by saying you're referring to the physical acts, not the legal definitions of those terms

Once you start arbitrarily shedding context, it becomes easier and easier to flat out lie, using the "truth", then weasel your way out once held to task for it.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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post #125

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This is ridiculous, no statement exists outside of context. > "If you saw someone about to murder a child, would you punch them to stop it?" > "Yes I'd punch that person" > This just in: AndrewUnmuted advocating violent assault and battery. We would never stand for a journalist making that kind of report, why? Because it's a contextomy of the worst kind that totally twists what was said, and is tantamount to a lie ev…

Because it gives twitter, not you or I, the sole power of deciding what is a lie and not. Its a power that can be used benevolently, but strongly begs human nature to use it in a corrupt way.

Twitter already has sole power of deciding what exists on their platform... there's no freedom of speech.

They don't need the excuse or the train of action:

we don't like that => but it's true => label as lie => removed as lie.

They're allowed to go:

we don't like that => removed.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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I saw a side by side of an opinion editor of the WaPo. Last year she was saying how important the Iowa caucuses were. This year she said how unimportant they are. The same person, diametric takes on the same subject. The only difference is I guess her preferred candidate didn’t do as well...

Not taking any side here, but something is only as important as the results it provides. If this year's caucus didn't really provide any good results, it's possible that 2016's was very important but 2020's was not. A less political example: there was a time when E3 was the most important week for the video game industry. It's far less important now. I don't know much about the Iowa caucus, but it's entirely possible…

mc32 wasn't talking about 2016 vs 2020. It was 2019 vs 2020.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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So, where do we exactly draw the line with these things? Considering everything you see on media has been altered in some ways. To me it looks like the same problem as "fake news", how do you define "fake news" considering every piece of news has at least some bias from the person that wrote it. I think it would be a better idea to educate people about these things, just like when "Photoshop" and other similar softwa…

You don't even need to edit the picture. All you need is just pick the right picture.

Just pick a few pictures where A1 was holding A2's hand, and where B1 was not holding B2's hand. Now you have a story.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Yesterday, I searched for a children song from an old soviet movie (my childhood) to play to my kids. Nothing political whatsoever. Youtube promptly showed me the warning for that channel saying that “VGTRK is funded by the Russian government” (which is true). Out of curiosity, I browsed throw tons of (political) clips posted by BBC and did not see a similar warning (regarding UK goverment) or anything close to it.

I’m getting the warning for the BBC on this video: https://youtu.be/dRggIb5Je_w And I just checked, the CBC gives a similar warning as well.

yes, I see it now too. Though it doesn’t say “funded by British government”, it says “BBC is a British public broadcaster”

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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post #18

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>we have had this for the past 400 years (since the birth of the modern press). why do we need it now? We've also had experts and arbiters of truth for 400 years. Why do we need to abandon the premise that truth has value in civil society? >how did you, for example, simply decide you can't rely on other people's good judgement? what triggered this change? I personally have never made any such decision. Trust is unavo…

>>> Why do we need to abandon the premise that truth has value in civil society? The very same people that are for these types of rules have abandoned it. With things like "there is no one truth, only my truth" believing that there is more than 1 "truth" Most of the time that type of narrative is being pushed by the same people that desire the tech companies to suppress certain kinds of speech >>If you choose not to…

>The very same people that are for these types of rules have abandoned it. With things like "there is no one truth, only my truth" believing that there is more than 1 "truth"

Who are you quoting?

>It has never been the case that you should trust anyone. No Twitter, or the new agencies or anyone. This is why people should be encouraged to look at original sources and multiple sources. This is also why in the age of everyone having only "anonymous sources said" is a huge problem.

So what you're saying is, people should trust "original" sources and "multiple" sources.

But original sources can be misleading, deceptive or have ulterior motives, so how do you verify their authenticity without trusting a third party?

And if no single source can be trusted, how can you trust multiple sources? Surely all sources are equally untrustworthy, even if they all report the same events. How do you verify that a commonly reported narrative is not simply well orchestrated propaganda?

It has always been the case that trust is necessary. Before the internet, people trusted the news. Before television, people trusted newspapers, radio and newsreels. People trust Einstein, Bohr, Newton, Darwin, Euclid without personally doing the necessary experiments to rediscover the entire corpus of modern scientific thought from first principles. Before the printing press and the Enlightenment, people trusted the Clergy and town criers.

Subjective truth is always based on implicit trust. Anyone who believes otherwise about themselves is simply unaware of the systems in which they place their faith and from which they form their biases.

>The other problem is most news is just regulations of another outlet or the "news media" takes a single random tweet from some random person and runs 100 nearly duplicated stories sensationalized based on that single account with no verification.

Absurd hyperbole. "most news" is decidedly not unverified claims from random twitter accounts. I'm guessing you've got some specific instance in mind that you're trying to conflate into a general practice, but if you look at the headlines and news from any mainstream source (CNN, Fox, BBC, AlJazeera, what have you) the vast majority are not the sort of sensationalized, unverified, Twitter-based stories you're describing.

>This has been tried many many times before, it always fails and this too will fail

Do you have a whitepaper proving that an algorithmic solution to this problem is impossible? If so, let us see it. Otherwise, you're just posturing.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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post #125

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Because it gives twitter, not you or I, the sole power of deciding what is a lie and not. Its a power that can be used benevolently, but strongly begs human nature to use it in a corrupt way.

Twitter already has sole power of deciding what exists on their platform... there's no freedom of speech. They don't need the excuse or the train of action: we don't like that => but it's true => label as lie => removed as lie. They're allowed to go: we don't like that => removed.

Legally, sure. Morally? Possibly not. I'm still very uncomfortable with companies (and governments) having so much power over what people see. This 'Twitter decides the truth' is 1984-bound.

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post #60

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This seems to be a language drift worth nipping in the bud. It's not "fake". It's a lie. When something purports to be something it's not, "fake" is an adjective describing that thing. "Lie" is the adjective that describes the claim . If you tweet that you are Man of the Year 2020, you are fake, a phony. The tweet , on the other hand, is simply a lie.

Huh? Then how is anything “fake”? That counterfeit Rolex is a real physical object.

It purports to be something it's not. It says "Rolex" on it.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Not taking any side here, but something is only as important as the results it provides. If this year's caucus didn't really provide any good results, it's possible that 2016's was very important but 2020's was not. A less political example: there was a time when E3 was the most important week for the video game industry. It's far less important now. I don't know much about the Iowa caucus, but it's entirely possible…

mc32 wasn't talking about 2016 vs 2020. It was 2019 vs 2020.

Right, but was there an Iowa presidential caucus in 2019?

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Twitter already has sole power of deciding what exists on their platform... there's no freedom of speech. They don't need the excuse or the train of action: we don't like that => but it's true => label as lie => removed as lie. They're allowed to go: we don't like that => removed.

Legally, sure. Morally? Possibly not. I'm still very uncomfortable with companies (and governments) having so much power over what people see. This 'Twitter decides the truth' is 1984-bound.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Their ability to remove a post has nothing to do with morality.

Morally they have no obligation to support hate speech and that alone already excludes them from supporting free speech.

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