Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
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Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#2I'm looking forward to the keto rebuttal.
Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#3Just as bad to lump both red meat and processed food into the same category. The additives in the latter have been shown definitively to do harm, whereas there is less evidence about the former.
Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#4The thing about processed food is that it came about in the 50s, at a time when many Americans still remembered the dust bowl. Processed food could be shipped long distances and stored for long times without spoiling and was available at any time of year. It was, among other things, a hedge against starvation.
It's not high quality food, and you should, by all means, prefer fresh food when it is available and you can afford it. But the jihad against processed food may have unpleasant consequences the next time famine conditions arise.
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Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#6Just as bad to lump both red meat and processed food into the same category. The additives in the latter have been shown definitively to do harm, whereas there is less evidence about the former.
Did you read the article?
The analysis and results treats then separately:
"processed meat: you would increase your risk by 0.4% over 10 years, 1.02% over 20 years and 1.74% over 30 years red meat: 0.17% over 10 years, 0.41% over 20 years and 0.62% over 30 years"
> The additives in the latter have been shown definitively to do harm, whereas there is less evidence about the former.
The article is evidence of their relative risk, and it does sound consistent with your prior.
Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#7The thing about processed food is that it came about in the 50s, at a time when many Americans still remembered the dust bowl. Processed food could be shipped long distances and stored for long times without spoiling and was available at any time of year. It was, among other things, a hedge against starvation. It's not high quality food, and you should, by all means, prefer fresh food when it is available and you can…
Define “processed food” - I understand it often includes decidedly un-modern steps, such as salting and curing; even doing your own pickling.
Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#8This is great. A calm, accessible analysis of a complex, emotive and apparently volatile topic. Well done NHS.
Of interest here's a Freedom of Information request about the consultants Bazian who produced this for the NHS: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bazian_services_to_th...
Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#9I'm looking forward to the keto rebuttal.
The standard objections apply:
- Correlation, not causation
- Self-reporting questionaire
- Not controlling for meat quality/sourcing (though at least they differentiate "processed meats")
Re: Red meat and processed food 'not back on the menu' according to new review
#10I'm looking forward to the keto rebuttal.
What rebuttal?
> red meat: 0.17% over 10 years, 0.41% over 20 years and 0.62% over 30 years
0.62% increase over 30 years is next to nothing, especially when you consider that many people have shit diet habits anyway.