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A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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Re: A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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if OP_CHECKDATASIG is beneficial btc can implement it

With Bitcoin's history of extreme hardfork aversion, it's not that simple. In theory you're right, but in practice it's much harder.

You should be able to add an optional functionality w/o a hardfork yes?

Re: A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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With Bitcoin's history of extreme hardfork aversion, it's not that simple. In theory you're right, but in practice it's much harder.

You should be able to add an optional functionality w/o a hardfork yes?

You can technically introduce anything as a softfork yes. The only difference is how difficult it is to implement, which I think would go beyond "just copy it".

Re: A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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There already is such tracking going on, exchanges do freeze balances sometimes. The problem is that if the stolen coin gets traded before exchanges can freeze them you wind up with a lot of innocent people holding those coins and it's not practical to freeze those later. Consider these two scenarios: A stolen bike vs a stolen sack of coffee. In the case of the bike, if you can find it you can take it back from someo…

You said "Bitcoin works like the coffee example not the bike." after "Now you can't identify your distinct stolen coffee anymore." But you can identify distinct stolen/tainted Bitcoin. Just like you can identify distinct stolen banknotes. The difference (according to the article) is that banknotes have special legal status meaning that they're effectively fungible after being spent.

>But you can identify distinct stolen/tainted Bitcoin. Just like you can identify distinct stolen banknotes.

Not at all. You can merge stolen bitcoin with "clean" bitcoin. You can not do that with banknotes.

If you give someone two $10 bills those don't magically turn into a $20. That does happen with Bitcoin though.

Re: A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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You said "Bitcoin works like the coffee example not the bike." after "Now you can't identify your distinct stolen coffee anymore." But you can identify distinct stolen/tainted Bitcoin. Just like you can identify distinct stolen banknotes. The difference (according to the article) is that banknotes have special legal status meaning that they're effectively fungible after being spent.

We should also carefully distinguish: * Bitcoin proponents desire that bitcoin work like the earlier currency example, where an innocent actor who receives stolen currency at part of some transaction for a good or service is protected from having to return those bitcoin. * Whether an innocent actor in that position is in fact liable or protected in that scenario is fundamentally up to the state(s) involved and their…

You seem to be speculating about some future legislation. What about the situation right now?

>I postulate that few if any states will see any advantage in granting that kind of protection to bitcoin transactions, as states have incentives to ensure their own currencies can be transacted without rigorous detective work, and do not have these same incentives with bitcoin.

Usually these principles apply to all currency, not just the states "own" currency. Why would states need to grant such protection to bitcoin transactions, as opposed to taking away such protection?

Re: A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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Pawn shops hold the goods they purchased for 30 days to give time for someone to make a claim against them as property that was stolen from them. (This is my experience in Canada anyway.) In theory, exchanges could do the same thing for deposits above a certain amount, but this would presumably hurt their business the way things work right now.

Don't pawn shops hold items because they are essentially lending money with the item as collateral. They don't sell the items right away because the person that sold them to the pawn shop has the right to repay the loan and reclaim the item within a certain period of time.

Yeah, I guess it's both things.

Re: A 96 Bitcoin ransom payment ends up on Bitfinex

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There already is such tracking going on, exchanges do freeze balances sometimes. The problem is that if the stolen coin gets traded before exchanges can freeze them you wind up with a lot of innocent people holding those coins and it's not practical to freeze those later. Consider these two scenarios: A stolen bike vs a stolen sack of coffee. In the case of the bike, if you can find it you can take it back from someo…

My wife abandoned I and my son for 4 months now only for me to contact( THEDARKCRACKER at PROTONMAIL COM ) to help me track her phone to know her where about, after the hack was done it was traced that she has been in a hotel with another guy for 3 months since she left the house.
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