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Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by celdon25 »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #68

Of course they didn't restrict themselves to "deepfakes"; they made sure to encompass anything "deceptive", "manipulated" media, "tropes", and "unwanted attention" - which, given every video clip has a start and end point, seems tailor made to allow them to flag eg clips of Ralph Northam endorsing infanticide or Hillary Clinton collapsing in public as leading to an incorrect political conclusion rather than being act…

Will they go as far as to censor statements by politicians such as this? https://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/media-bias-nbc-news-fact-...

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by Mangalor »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #68

Of course they didn't restrict themselves to "deepfakes"; they made sure to encompass anything "deceptive", "manipulated" media, "tropes", and "unwanted attention" - which, given every video clip has a start and end point, seems tailor made to allow them to flag eg clips of Ralph Northam endorsing infanticide or Hillary Clinton collapsing in public as leading to an incorrect political conclusion rather than being act…

Personally, given 2016 and now Iowa, I would rather err on the side of allowing users to find "on the fence" content outside of Twitter, rather than letting the propaganda chips fall where they may. These are ultra-powerful tools, and our society clearly hasn't mastered them (yet).

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by ravenstine »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #68

Of course they didn't restrict themselves to "deepfakes"; they made sure to encompass anything "deceptive", "manipulated" media, "tropes", and "unwanted attention" - which, given every video clip has a start and end point, seems tailor made to allow them to flag eg clips of Ralph Northam endorsing infanticide or Hillary Clinton collapsing in public as leading to an incorrect political conclusion rather than being act…

They'll label these things "mostly false", a la Snopes.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by bilekas »

dTal wrote: post #60
bilekas wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So proud to be the Man of the year 2020" - Me Its fake, just because I said it, doesn't make the content true.

This seems to be a language drift worth nipping in the bud. It's not "fake". It's a lie. When something purports to be something it's not, "fake" is an adjective describing that thing. "Lie" is the adjective that describes the claim . If you tweet that you are Man of the Year 2020, you are fake, a phony. The tweet , on the other hand, is simply a lie.

But the content is the article in this case. The content is fake.. No ? Maybe I have messed up the semantics.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but is it not valid in this context to correlate "lie" with "fake" ?

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by Mangalor »

busymom0 wrote: post #14
slipheen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctored-nancy-pelosi-video-hig...

That’s not a deep fake. If that’s deep fake, then simply slowing down a video gets qualified as a deep fake.

They're both forms of misleading manipulation. DL is just more capable.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by tsukurimashou »

bilekas wrote: post #48
tsukurimashou wrote: post #47

So, where do we exactly draw the line with these things? Considering everything you see on media has been altered in some ways. To me it looks like the same problem as "fake news", how do you define "fake news" considering every piece of news has at least some bias from the person that wrote it. I think it would be a better idea to educate people about these things, just like when "Photoshop" and other similar softwa…

> I think it would be a better idea to educate people about these things This argument is nonsense an innefective. Try and explain to your elders about what a deep fake is, and how to identify one. The movie : "The Irishman" used a lot of the technology successfully to take years off the cast. Applying labels to known false media is not the same as an opinion based 'fact' or alternative facts. So don't come with this…

> This argument is nonsense an innefective.

Yeah man, we should just go on like that, remove more and more responsibility from people until they are tame enough that you can just give orders and they follow.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by nabnob »

Twitter and other social media companies already heavily censor users that fall outside of the overton window (left or right). And now they have another justificiation to keep doing this, with all the buzz around deepfakes.

It amazes me that people who consider themselves leftists are ok with massive corporations deciding what information they're able to see.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by zerocrates »

syshum wrote: post #27
krapp wrote: post #15

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1. How is allowing the unchecked proliferation of false and misleading media not also a slippery slope, and why is that never a concern? 2. False dichotomy - Twitter attempting to label deepfakes and deceptive media has no negative effect on critical thinking or education, just as Twitter not doing has no positive effect on either. Twitter is not setting education policy for any society or government, here. 3. There…

>>Also, Twitter is a privately owned platform, not a government or a public square. This is a terrible argument and people need to stop, at least you did not all use the trite "can't yell fire" non-sense but "they are a private company" is right up there with that. >>Also, merely classifying data is not preventing its spread, It is highly unlikely that this stops at just classification and tagging. I am sure there is…

Hmm... "can't yell fire" is pretty much nonsense, but "private company" very much isn't. The rules for what the government can do and what private entities can are totally different, on purpose.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Post by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 »

bilekas wrote: post #52
blackearl wrote: post #51

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> and other deceptive media Ok where's the line on deceptive media? A deepfake obviously has concrete criteria to identify it. What about a little spin? Cropping out a piece of a picture or a few seconds of a video? Muting a crucial bit of audio? What about that silly scenario where a reporter goes out in a kayak to show flooded streets and a cheeky passerby walks behind them in knee-high galoshes? Those all seem dec…

> What about a little spin? If the 'spin' consists of a lie, then how could you even consider it true ? 10% false and 90% truth does not result in a diluted truth or half truth: 'Half True' is an oxymoron. The content is take as a whole. If I said to you : "You need glasses with a light on them because at night its always dark" - Thats spin. If I said : "The sun is gone forever so you need glasses with a light on the…

A personal overconfidence in what is true and untrue is exactly why I’m against these types of censorship policies. If you don’t think personal bias can bend and distort your personal, non-objective “truth” then you haven’t been paying attention to history.
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