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Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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1. how is this not a slippery slope? 2. have we completely given up on critical thinking and education? 3. free speech vs not so free speech. i guess we're choosing "not so free"?

the main antagonism is that private companies have become the infrastructure necessary for defacto free speech expression, i wonder how long it will take untill people recognize the proper function of a public space again

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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There are obvious cases of deceptive media, where things are simply made up, but the most invidious ones are just "differential spin" and very hard to pin down. The recent Harry/Megan fiasco has provided a great set of examples on how the same action can be reported as a positive or negative depending on the paper's preferred spin: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markl...

There's a whole subreddit for this with the American media https://www.reddit.com/r/newscontradictions/top/?sort=top&t=...

That subreddit isn't really about the same phenomenon. It mostly focuses on the outlets in question publishing op-ed pieces from different authors rather than a partisan or parochial sort of spin attaching to a given outlet (although the sub itself pretty obviously leans pro-Trump).

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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This seems reasonable, but I'm a bit worried you're being sarcastic. Are you worried about this for some reason? Maybe scared of something you read in a fiction book once? Is this a good idea in reality?

He is paraphrasing parts of 1984 by George Orwell. Your comment must be sarcastic as well. Please tell me that you don't actually believe that the government should hold a monopoly on truth...

Yeah, I'm aware there's a fictional book being referenced. Back in the real world - what does "monopoly on truth" mean?

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Goodness! The avocado one was two stories fewer than eighteen months apart. It almost looks like they were intending to get caught.

More that they don't care if they get caught. You could run diametrically opposing articles a week apart and not expect the readership to care enough to stop buying the paper. Several papers run opposite stories locally: DMG Media (owners of the Mail) notoriously did this with the HPV vaccine. Irish Mail were in favour, UK Daily Mail were against, on the same day . The Sun vs Scottish Sun is another repeat offender.

A common one (enough that it's a joke) is that red wine (or dark chocolate) either prevents or causes cancer (or heart disease).

I can't recall which paper (in the UK), but there was one that run both stories (whichever consumable it was both caused and prevented whichever disease it was) on the same day, same publication!

Because it's not even about spin, it's just 'content' getting written and published and read. I'm not sure what the (actual) newspaper equivalent phrase is for 'generating clicks', but that's all it is.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Yesterday, I searched for a children song from an old soviet movie (my childhood) to play to my kids. Nothing political whatsoever. Youtube promptly showed me the warning for that channel saying that “VGTRK is funded by the Russian government” (which is true).

Out of curiosity, I browsed throw tons of (political) clips posted by BBC and did not see a similar warning (regarding UK goverment) or anything close to it.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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More that they don't care if they get caught. You could run diametrically opposing articles a week apart and not expect the readership to care enough to stop buying the paper. Several papers run opposite stories locally: DMG Media (owners of the Mail) notoriously did this with the HPV vaccine. Irish Mail were in favour, UK Daily Mail were against, on the same day . The Sun vs Scottish Sun is another repeat offender.

Sounds a bit like A/B testing with public opinion.

Or catering to two different groups. Like selling arms to both sides.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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> 3. free speech vs not so free speech. i guess we're choosing "not so free"? Well, to be fair, it's all free speech. The guy who uploaded the deep fake exercised his right to free expression to do so, and the private company that labeled it a deep fake also exercised their right to free expression. Technically speaking, this is an example of the radically open and unregulated nature of free speech in the private sec…

The private company argument holds no water when they selectively apply their standards to promote their ideologies. At that point they're not an unbiased content platform but a biased publisher and need to be regulated as such. So the government needs to force these companies to decide are they 8kun or CNN?

That only motivates companies insofar as you are not going to hold them accountable for illegal content on their servers in any case. But we've made clear to Twitter that they will be held accountable for such content. (That's why the guys and gals in the navy blue windbreakers are, effectively, a constant fixture at Twitter. There's literally nothing Twitter can do about it.) So if you're going to make them operate under those conditions whether they are a platform or not, what benefit is there to cooperate with you? I can understand Twitter's view. Just let the government guys in full time, and do your best to take out content you know is going to cause problems. If you miss anything, the government guys can kill it themselves. That way, you're never in a position where it can be said that you were not cooperating with the government.

It's unsurprising that your argument isn't swaying any of the various corporate counsels. I mean, it's an argument that's purely theoretical in a world where the government has said they will hold you accountable for fake news and government agents siphon the communication feeds from your servers full time anyway.

Think of it this way, a threat to chop off someone's arms, is only effective if you have not already chopped off their arms.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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Of course they didn't restrict themselves to "deepfakes"; they made sure to encompass anything "deceptive", "manipulated" media, "tropes", and "unwanted attention" - which, given every video clip has a start and end point, seems tailor made to allow them to flag eg clips of Ralph Northam endorsing infanticide or Hillary Clinton collapsing in public as leading to an incorrect political conclusion rather than being actually false.

Re: Twitter to label deepfakes and other deceptive media

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More that they don't care if they get caught. You could run diametrically opposing articles a week apart and not expect the readership to care enough to stop buying the paper. Several papers run opposite stories locally: DMG Media (owners of the Mail) notoriously did this with the HPV vaccine. Irish Mail were in favour, UK Daily Mail were against, on the same day . The Sun vs Scottish Sun is another repeat offender.

Sounds a bit like A/B testing with public opinion.

I would say they are Red-teaming (any relation to red-tops is unintentional). They already know their audience, so they strive to reduce the unknowns or false-positives.
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