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The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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Checked their LinkedIn and the employees who work there. The founder is non-technical and there are two developers: one who is a "back-end intern" and the other is a front-end developer (both are fresh from bootcamps). ...Yikes.

The career path of prep cook -> software certification mill -> wrecking american democracy is the best thing I've ever seen.

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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How long will it take our society to realize that democracy is threatened when machines are involved in voting or vote counting? Going back to voting exclusively by ink on paper and hand counting is imperative.

Paper ballots with scanned results in the booth. No scan means redo your vote. That way you have a track record + instant results. Folks can take home the stub to ensure non-repudiation etc.. They can look up the serial number on the stub they take home to see for sure it was recorded. FYI we should also have basic ID requirements for voting. The arguments against it are kind of ridiculous, and federal or state ID sh…

At this point, I hate politics so much, I think every nation needs a 'caretaker' Pres/PM from the bureaucracy - someone who can clean out the cobwebs, get rid of a bunch of old laws, clean up the tax code, take on the public unions (I mean reform not destroy, I mean teachers probably need higher salaries) and basically do a big, operational house cleaning that has nothing to do with politics.

You realize that every single thing you said there is political, right?

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

#193
post #63

Checked their LinkedIn and the employees who work there. The founder is non-technical and there are two developers: one who is a "back-end intern" and the other is a front-end developer (both are fresh from bootcamps). ...Yikes.

The career path of prep cook -> software certification mill -> wrecking american democracy is the best thing I've ever seen.

Private sector everyperson-entrepreneurship has reached its logical conclusion.

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

#194

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IKR? And for all options they may end up with, they chose an APP. WHY? Does laptop not exist anymore? Does phones lack the ability to open webpages anymore? Hasn't logging in been one of the things we perfected over 30 years?

Yes, if you want to have a small tool for volunteers without logistics of shipping machines, laptops don't exist anymore. Developing desktop software for such purpose is way more complex, especially when considering updates etc. Which Windows version are you targeting? And Mac? What libraries you need? For app development, even if for two platforms (Android and iOS) it is a lot simpler these days, than desktop.

Even just a private Google form has like 95% of the functionality needed here, and can be accessed via mobile browser requiring no download.

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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" I'm not necessarily trying to suggest anything" Aren't you though? I mean, your post is essentially "CLINTON" "ALLEGED" "SEVERE" "LEAK" . Lot's of words meant to imply some grand conspiracy. The reality is almost certainly that the developer (who has an unfortunate name) probably just didn't have enough time/budget to put out a decent product. Not everything is an actual conspiracy.

Is it really difficult to believe that a group of people in charge of something may be biased? Calling it a "conspiracy" theory is just dismissive slander at this point. People have conspired successfully to achieve far greater and more malicious goals.

Calling it a "conspiracy" theory is just dismissive slander at this point.

Aren't you literally proposing that there is a conspiracy? And since there is no evidence then isn't that a theory?

What do you think it should be called? "conspiracy speculation"/"conspiracy hypothesis"/"possibility of a conspiracy"?

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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Why they can't just do a https website with login is beyond me. Why an App? We all know there's nothing in it but boilerplate.

By being an app, they can easily advise the user "download it in advance and register in advance" by that verify they have it installed. Then they can make sure the app will work to collect the data in case of wifi/mobile network issues so that the user enters the data on the caucus site and if that building for whatever reason has no network go outside to upload. Making sure that average Joe preloads a webapp and to…

But these are precinct officials, who took the time to become volunteers in this. They should be able to spend 1/100 of the effort that would take them to file taxes and preload a webapp.

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IKR? And for all options they may end up with, they chose an APP. WHY? Does laptop not exist anymore? Does phones lack the ability to open webpages anymore? Hasn't logging in been one of the things we perfected over 30 years?

Yes, if you want to have a small tool for volunteers without logistics of shipping machines, laptops don't exist anymore. Developing desktop software for such purpose is way more complex, especially when considering updates etc. Which Windows version are you targeting? And Mac? What libraries you need? For app development, even if for two platforms (Android and iOS) it is a lot simpler these days, than desktop.

The alternative is web, not desktop.

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

#198
I don’t agree with the use of an app here for many reasons. That said, such an app would basically need secure authentication and a form to upload some pre-templated numbers.

It seems pretty hard to screw that up so badly but clearly it’s quite easy to make a complete dumpster fire from those requirements.

Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night

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Titles are a form of compensation. When you are a cash-strapped startup, especially in a domain that's not particularly lucrative, you pay people with titles. If this incident hadn't happened, these folks could have proudly claimed that they were the CTO/COO/CPO etc of Shadow Inc on their LinkedIns and whatever article BuzzFeed/Forbes wrote about them.

With the exception of CTO, none of them seem to be engineers. If I'm on the hiring end, this is not something that will help. Instead, if someone's going to sell me the importance of their title at their 6 people startup, it's going to negatively affect their chances.

It's the other way around - if you're trying to recruit an engineer or ops person from FAANMG, you can tell them "Well, I know you're an SWE 2 and make $300K/year, and we can't match that, but guess what, you can be the VP of Engineering at our 2-person startup and when we go public, you'll be a VP or SVP of a public company." You'd be surprised how many people fall for that.
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