How long will it take our society to realize that democracy is threatened when machines are involved in voting or vote counting? Going back to voting exclusively by ink on paper and hand counting is imperative.
The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night
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#12How long will it take our society to realize that democracy is threatened when machines are involved in voting or vote counting? Going back to voting exclusively by ink on paper and hand counting is imperative.
I'm pretty comfortable with that.
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#13I think the author's take on this is a bit heavy with hyperbole, but there's no doubt Iowa was a mess last night. My son was there working as volunteer, and so was his ex-girlfriend, who's still a close family friend. I was chatting with them both throughout the evening and into the wee hours this morning. They worked different locations in the Des Moines metro area and the results they reported to me were pretty clo…
I'm not sure what the db has to do with this, you need to structure the data somehow to be able to tally and breakdown results. SQL databases can certainly handle multiple magnitudes more transactions per second so it doesn't strike me as prima faciae bad decision making.
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#14The reason this happens is because hundreds of millions of dollars are lit on fire during election season and all the sharks, including former Google employees, come out to swim. Even well intentioned projects get slammed by the crunch of the election season (seriously try shipping a well scaled app in After the success of Obama's 2008 and 2012 campaigns even more money was funneled into IT as a sort of perceived silver bullet. But in 2016 it wasn't, and yet no analysis was done to correct the problems for the 2020 cycle - because the decision makers (all these "CTOs") are clueless fucks who are just there for the money and could care less about the integrity of our democratic system.
- in 2016 I worked for one of the companies in this niche and saw the bidding/sales/engineering processes first hand. FWIW I am a life long democratic voter and this makes me sick to my stomach.
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#15I'm picturing the Dos Equis meme saying "I don't always test, but when I do, I test in production. Stay on call, my friends." At least now I don't feel bad about when I test in production. (just kidding, I didn't feel bad before).
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/4/21122737/iowa-democractic-...
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#17This Motherboard article has more details on the app including screenshots https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/y3m33x/heres-the-shadow-i... My favorite screenshot is the last one, it looks like a generic mobile Firefox error for a misspecified URL.
Re: The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night
#18How long will it take our society to realize that democracy is threatened when machines are involved in voting or vote counting? Going back to voting exclusively by ink on paper and hand counting is imperative.
With strong voter ID. Paper ballots do you no good if you can't verify that they were cast by a real person that was eligible to vote in that area, and that they only voted once.
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#19How long will it take our society to realize that democracy is threatened when machines are involved in voting or vote counting? Going back to voting exclusively by ink on paper and hand counting is imperative.
The challenge is: is the person submitting the results who they say they are, and are they authorized to submit results for said precinct, did their data submission transform on transit. The misconception seems to be that any of the data is private.
Issuing 1700 instagram accounts and having each precinct post and tag a photograph would have been both more secure, and instantly verifiable. Anybody could go back later and go "yep thats the photo I posted." "Yep that is the account that we expected the photo to come from." "Yep, the account wasn't improperly accessed."
Everyone in the public can see the live results real time, and hand verify the summarization. A worst case scenario would be someone doctoring one of the Math Sheets, printing out a near perfect duplicate, and creating confusion over which document is the "real" one. Breaking into a physically secure area with a fake piece of paper may cause a situation with an unverifiable truth. Having a public, timestamped photograph minimizes counterfeiting and forgery.
Providing a csv/xlsx file, and having a whitelisted list of senders would have worked, along with a bot ingesting the files as they came. A onedrive with 1700 shared spreadsheets would have worked, each precinct manager would have just needed a copy of mobile excel. The technology that generates my fantasy football cheat sheets seems more advanced.
The goal here should be to get a definitive answer posted into the public record, timestamped and proven to be the appropriate sender.
The "pin" nonsense is the scary part of all this. Did anybody who shouldnt have download the app, and submit the wrong results?
>he had to sign in with an email and password, provide a two-factor authentication, and enter a one-time password generated by the Google Authenticator app.
What is the point of 2fa/authenticator, if the person is registering for the first time the night of the primary? Wouldnt 2fa be for preventing access to the account youve already made, not to prevent someone from creating your account? Unless somehow the phone numbers were already on file, and a sanity check took place before the 2fa step, which I doubt. Is 2fa anything more than security theater in this application?
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#20This should really be getting more attention, here is an alternative breakdown: https://imgur.com/gallery/ycOC0HX . The jest of it is one of the most important institutions in the United States (the Democratic National Committee) uses a highly nepotistic and incompetent system for managing IT which leads to colossal failures in marketing, canvassing, and security. Not to mention massive PII violations as millions of…