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The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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Doesn't anyone else see a huge opportunity here? If we set aside regulation for a moment, there is a _huge_ demand for a liquid market for privately held stock. Both investors and companies would have huge benefits from being able to trade stock on a market that's not connected to the traditional exchanges. I'm standing on the investor side of things, annoyed out of my head that it is impossible to invest in the companies I'd want to unless I had a hundred million dollars.

There are probably _huge_ regulatory hurdles to a problem like this, but it would be interesting to see where the excact problem lies. Practically, you'd need to attract enough investors to make the market reasonably liquid, as well as gain enough confidence from the market at large that people would want to participate.

Does anyone know what regulation prevents someone from doing this?

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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This article is unpersuasive. Each of the supposedly anti-IPO changes had a very good reason behind it. These should be seriously considered before reverting to the old way of doing things:

#1: This is really a consequence of the other factors he cites.

#2: Decimalization made stock trading massively cheaper. When prices were quoted in eighths, the price at which you could sell was 12.5 cents lower than the price at which you could buy. This difference went straight into the pockets of brokers, not investors. It was basically free money.

#3: Internet brokerages. What, you'd rather get on the phone and call someone to make a trade? I love the convenience of E*TRADE and similar platforms.

#4: The growth of prop trading, in and of itself, didn't push out IPOs. It merely filled the void in profits left when IPOs stopped making as much money for the banks.

#5: Keep in mind how research used to be done: banks would effectively promise to write good research on stocks they brought to market. I think it's absurd and insulting to new companies to suggest that no one would buy their stocks unless accompanied by heavily biased "research."

#6: Guess what, shareholders are the owners of the companies. They should have a say in how companies are run. There's a balance between their interests and management's interests, but the author merely asserts that things went to far without providing evidence.

#7: While there's plenty of wealth outside the US, international investors are still able to invest in the US. I don't see why this is a negative for IPOs.

#8: Larger funds: I'll admit that I'm unsure about this criticism. I don't know enough about this area of the market.

#9: Keep in mind that Sarbox was passed to prevent Enron and Worldcom. Its requirements may be onerous, but they're designed to help prevent specific types of fraud that were extremely damaging to the economy. While Sarbox may have reduced IPOs, it also may have reduced the risk of fraud. It's difficult to say.

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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post #11

Doesn't anyone else see a huge opportunity here? If we set aside regulation for a moment, there is a _huge_ demand for a liquid market for privately held stock. Both investors and companies would have huge benefits from being able to trade stock on a market that's not connected to the traditional exchanges. I'm standing on the investor side of things, annoyed out of my head that it is impossible to invest in the comp…

> Does anyone know what regulation prevents someone from doing this?

The same regulation that pretty much defines modern securities - the Securities Act of 1933. It basically states that securities cannot be offered to the public without first being registered with the SEC, and the company must report all material information related to the security - essentially these requirements are the reasons that companies are avoiding IPOs in the first place.

> there is a _huge_ demand for a liquid market for privately held stock

Privately held stock is, by definition, privately held and not publicly offered on a liquid market. The only potential loophole I see here is that accredited investors (individuals w/ net worth > $1 mil or income > $200k/yr) are exempt from these rules as they are considered "sophisticated investors". However, a market that's only open to accredited investors probably wouldn't be very liquid.

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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This entire article is just a bunch of moaning and bitching about how things are not like they used to be back in the olden times when stock brokers could make easy money without being too smart or working too hard by just answering the phone, executing orders and taking bribes for "research." (Note that stockbrokers can and still do make a lot of money nowadays, they just need to be much smarter and trickier about i…

"More recently, watchers of the New York tech scene will recall Google’s purchase and shutdown of Dodge Ball."

Interesting... I wonder when Google went public... undoubtedly it was back in the heyday of small tech IPOs, otherwise they would have had to sell themselves!

Seriously though:

His other example, Wal-Mart - inflation adjusted would be >$100mm today at IPO.

To expand on hristov's list, some recent, smaller IPOs:

AcelRx: $85mm market cap (ie. post-money)

Kip's Bay Medical: $130mm market cap

Trunkbow International: $170mm market cap

Ossen Innovation: $87mm market cap

SGOCO: $80mm market cap

UniTek: $150mm market cap

through the midpoint of November. Some slightly larger ones as well that I've skipped.

Not to say that increased regulation and disclosure requirements have had a negligible chilling effect on the decision to go public, but this blows it out of proportion.

What may be a legitimate worry is that companies are choosing to stay private through sales to VCs and PE funds, saving millions in public company costs and the time that would otherwise be devoted to dealing with the general investing public. Whether this is a good or bad thing is debatable, but it does keep these companies out of reach for certain investors.

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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post #11

Doesn't anyone else see a huge opportunity here? If we set aside regulation for a moment, there is a _huge_ demand for a liquid market for privately held stock. Both investors and companies would have huge benefits from being able to trade stock on a market that's not connected to the traditional exchanges. I'm standing on the investor side of things, annoyed out of my head that it is impossible to invest in the comp…

> Doesn't anyone else see a huge opportunity here?

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this essentially what sharespost and secondmarket are doing?

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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post #9

This entire article is just a bunch of moaning and bitching about how things are not like they used to be back in the olden times when stock brokers could make easy money without being too smart or working too hard by just answering the phone, executing orders and taking bribes for "research." (Note that stockbrokers can and still do make a lot of money nowadays, they just need to be much smarter and trickier about i…

Yeah but the economy is a lot bigger now too. It is an indisputable fact that the U.S. IPO market smaller in both size and frequency.

It isn't the only cause, but Sarbox has hammered public companies with huge regulatory costs for absolutely no benefit-- indeed, there is some evidence that corporate malfeasance is easier today because the rules are so complex, the true risks are easier to bury. SarBox certainly didn't stop the corruption in public mortgage finance and investment banks. You could argue that the law was tougher pre-SarBox-- at least Enron and WorldCom crooks went to jail.

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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post #9

This entire article is just a bunch of moaning and bitching about how things are not like they used to be back in the olden times when stock brokers could make easy money without being too smart or working too hard by just answering the phone, executing orders and taking bribes for "research." (Note that stockbrokers can and still do make a lot of money nowadays, they just need to be much smarter and trickier about i…

I follow you except for the note about CPI underestimating inflation. There's actually a lot of debate about this (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Consumer_Price_In... for an informal look), and I personally think it overestimates it.

Re: The decline of the $10 million IPO, and why it matters

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post #17
post #9

This entire article is just a bunch of moaning and bitching about how things are not like they used to be back in the olden times when stock brokers could make easy money without being too smart or working too hard by just answering the phone, executing orders and taking bribes for "research." (Note that stockbrokers can and still do make a lot of money nowadays, they just need to be much smarter and trickier about i…

I follow you except for the note about CPI underestimating inflation. There's actually a lot of debate about this (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Consumer_Price_In... for an informal look), and I personally think it overestimates it.

It's controversial in the UK too. My colleague, Simon (who used to be the FT's stats editor), writes about it on our data blog:

http://byline.timetric.com/2011/02/14/uk-inflation-bad-decis...

(which has subsequently been picked up by a couple of UK papers.)

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