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U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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In the last decade US stock market went up by 256%. All other countries grew below 100%. The outstanding performance of the US stock market was thanks to tech industry. Without the tech industry we'd all be poorer whether you work in tech or not. Anything that hurts tech hurts all Americans.

See charts here: https://medium.com/@petilon404/us-prosperity-is-dependent-on...

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Language barrier aside, Montréal seems like a hidden gem.

Montreal is an Anglophone city. Last I checked 80% were English speakers (not necessarily primary language). Now Quebec City is entirely different. I could see language being more challenging there. Honestly, Montreal is a hidden gem. Low cost housing, ton of culture and history. The only drawbacks can be the Québécois anti-immigrant and anti-business climate, but it’s not stifling, just more noticeable than the rest…

> Montreal is an Anglophone city. Last I checked 80% were English speakers

Would you be able to provide a source for that?

Even during it's Anglo heydays (pre-referenda), I don't think it was that high.

It is true that Montreal is highly Anglophone in the tech sector, but outside of enclaves like downtown, the west Island and a few neighborhoods like TMR and Ville St Laurent, Montreal is not very Anglophone at all.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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> How's the weather there though? Right this moment, they are almost the same (46F in SF vs 37F in Toronto). Toronto winter usually goes between 5F and 40F, but summer is way warmer than SF (between 75F to 90F vs 60F to 70F in SF)

As someone born in Toronto, the weather is crap. You're right by a great lake, so it's damp/humid all year (step out of the shower and start sweating humid). Downtown is a series of giant wind tunnels, which isn't bad in the summer, but is downright chilly in the winter. I moved to Calgary and the weather is great, nice and dry and Chinooks to warm you up during the winter.

I guess weather preferences are subjective. My wife prefers TO weather over SF weather. Her reasoning is that TO has "real seasons". I used to live in Sao Paulo. Great weather IMHO, if you're ok w/ 38C in summer. SF weather feels chilly all throughout the year IMHO. The weather inland in the Bay Area tends to be much better for my taste. YMMV.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Might just as well say the same about every developed country's immigration policy. Last I heard, all accepted fewer than wanted in. If you perceive you can't get in one place you emigrate to another. Or stay home of course, making it also a boon for developing countries' tech industry (a very good thing, in my opinion).

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Vancouverite here. When major tech companies started setting up satellite offices here, I assumed it'd be a temporary situation, and that we'd be at the mercy of any change in the U.S. immigration process. The longer there's an immigration bottleneck though, the more entrenched these companies become here. There are more senior roles opening up here all the time, and salaries are increasing in this competitive market…

How's the housing policy in Vancouver and Toronto? If new tech companies and new tech workers keep coming, are the cities willing to allow for construction of lots of new homes? Or are there signs that the housing policies would turn as anti-growth and hostile to newcomers as happened in the Bay Area?

Vancouver and Toronto both build quite a bit. Some will argue not enough, and there is the usual NIMBYism, but it's not comparable to the disfunction of SF.

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You realize the companies that push that line don't actually believe it themselves, right? I always suffer a bit of second-hand embarrassment when others earnestly accept such crude propaganda. It's all about protecting access to cheap labor.

Multinational companies are quite capable of opening offices in places where labor and cost of living is cheap. If they have trouble bringing people to the US, it's a bigger incentive to do so.

Great, they are free to open offices there then. Good luck to them!

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Vancouverite here. When major tech companies started setting up satellite offices here, I assumed it'd be a temporary situation, and that we'd be at the mercy of any change in the U.S. immigration process. The longer there's an immigration bottleneck though, the more entrenched these companies become here. There are more senior roles opening up here all the time, and salaries are increasing in this competitive market…

I'd echo this as a Vancouverite. People coming here from elsewhere are here for Vancouver itself. It's not a stopping point on the way south.

In fact in the last few years I've even been seeing young people coming up from the USA to live here for lifestyle reasons.

IMO the dominant thing propelling tech in Vancouver forward isn't the immigration law situation, but rather the low Canadian dollar makes our companies cheap to work with for SF giants.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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In the last 4 years the stock markets is up over 50% and unemployment has plummeted. This has resulted in salaries and total comp going even higher for everyone, and insanely higher for engineers. Living in the US likely became more desirable in the last 4 years

Do you have a source for salary and total comp spiking over the past four years? Because as a software engineer with a lot of software engineer friends, none of us have seen that.

https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-develope...

If you are not seeing growth you may need to gain more marketable skills. Whenever hiring people, more in demand skill sets definitely command a higher salary

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Sounds like these companies don't have viable business models then.

To me, it sounds like the complainers about "cheap labor" are entitled brats living way beyond their means. sauce for the goose==sauce for the gander

"entitled brats" in this case being people who don't want to live in third-world conditions.

These other countries are free to try and improve their conditions. Trying to drag us down to their level is pathetic.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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The parent was discussing max tax rate. As a software dev you would presumably be much close to the max rate than the average (at least in the US)

You appear to be misunderstanding the definition of "average" in this context. The first ~50k of your income is taxed at ~20%, the next ~50k is taxed at ~30%, and so on. The average of these percentages gets you to a ~39% average tax rate for 250k income. Here's a detailed example (grep for "Average tax rate"): https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/...

Ah you're right, reading comprehension was not high there on my part
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